Podcast #70: Jay Bakker Interview
Drunk Ex-Pastors
Christian Kingery
4.7 • 565 Ratings
🗓️ 2 November 2015
⏱️ 119 minutes
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Summary
In this episode the Drunk Ex-Pastors interview pastor-author Jay Bakker, "Christian agnostic" and son of Jim and Tammy Faye. We begin with a disavowal of anything we say since we do absolutely no research before weighing in on a topic, after which (to Christian's annoyance) Jay and Jason talk about skateboarding for way too long. Jay relays his first and only experience with our former church, Calvary Chapel of Costa Mesa, which reduced him to tears (not the good kind). Jay then describes his experience becoming a gay-affirming Christian leader, which went pretty much how you would expect it to, after which he tells us about his church, Revolution. Our discussion then veers to the topic of the weakness and humanity of Christian leaders, and finally to the subject of the relationship of faith and doubt.
Also, an "Orange County accent"? Psssssh! I am so. Sure.
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| 0:00.0 | All right. So how's it going? Good. How are you? I'm good. We just finished up with Jay Baker. Yeah. And... |
| 0:10.3 | Two-Ks. Yeah. Yeah. B.A. KK. Not 3K. Not KKK. With a Y and 2K. With a Y and 2K. Yeah. Jim and Tammy Faye's son. And I thought it was... Well, they're lucky enough to be his parents. Yes. I really feel like he put them on the map. Right. Yes. How did you think it went? I think it went great. I mean, it's always hard to tell, except that pretty much everything we put out is good. Yeah. So other than the baseline brilliance. There have been times when I've thought we were just putting utter shit out there and people like it. Yeah. And this I thought went pretty well. Yeah, me too. I thought, I was a little nervous because I actually didn't know much about them other than the obvious. And so I was not sure how long we were going to be able to talk. And it turns out quite a long time. Yeah. And we didn't interrupt him every time he tried to talk. No. Like we usually do when we interview people. Were you thinking about that during the interview? Yes. I'm like, I can't believe I'm just like being quiet and letting him talk. I wonder what he's saying. His mouth is moving and this is a good sign. |
| 1:11.6 | Maybe I wonder what he's talking about. |
| 1:13.3 | Maybe he's just a lot more engaging than Seth was. Yeah, Seth is sort of like, you know, it's like interviewing. Oh, yeah. It's like interviewing a brick wall. Somebody has to intervene or else who knows what he's going to say. Right. He's talking about demons. He's going to start casting demons out of himself. |
| 1:26.4 | No, I'm sitting there watching Jay Talk tonight, |
| 1:28.6 | and we're just giving him like five minutes to talk. |
| 1:30.4 | And I'm thinking to myself, we are really getting much better at this. Yeah. Just letting out of people talk. Yeah. And while you're self congratulating yourself, you're like not listening to a word he's saying. But that's not important. No, I totally was. He was very interesting, very interesting guest. Yeah. Um, free thinker. Yeah. And so generous and nice to be willing to, for us to pick him up in Baffle, which is like 45 minutes away and drive him out into the, to BFE where I live, not knowing us. Yeah. You know, into this weird cult likelike gated community. Well, when you got out, |
| 2:02.1 | because the gate on your house doesn't work when it's stormy like it's been. Yeah. And so when you got out in the car to open the gate, it was just him and me in the car. He's like, I'm going to be killed here, aren't I? Like this, I'm going to die here tonight. And I'm just like, shh, just relax, you're not going to feel a thing. |
| 2:17.2 | And then his wife came out to pick him up at the end of the podcast. |
| 2:20.3 | Yeah, they have an hour and a half long drive ahead of them after. So thanks to Jay, that was really nice of you to come out here and we're excited about this podcast. Yeah, and we hope you like it and hope you share it. Yep. And yeah, Yeah, it's cool. I'm Christian. I'm Jason. And this is drunk ex-pastors. Time to put down the phone, Jay. |
| 3:03.2 | What time do you, how long does this thing usually go for? |
| 3:05.1 | Four hours, I tell you. |
| 3:24.9 | Tell her not to be early either. Okay, I'll say I'll text you when we take a halfway break. You can tell it'll probably be about 90 minutes or so. Okay. If you're up for talking for 90 minutes. If we have something to talk about. I mean, I feel like we just... We should be about 90 minutes. From now. |
| 3:26.1 | Did it understand your accent? |
| 3:27.2 | It did. |
| 3:28.0 | Nice. |
| 3:29.3 | I can't hear my accent anymore. |
| 3:32.4 | So do we sound like we have an accent to you? |
| 3:35.0 | No. |
| 3:35.8 | No? |
| 3:36.5 | See, that's ridiculous. |
| 3:37.5 | That's weird. |
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