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Psychedelic Salon

Podcast 469 – “Philosophy With The Gloves Off”

Psychedelic Salon

Lorenzo Hagerty

Science, Philosophy, Natural Sciences, Personal Journals, Society & Culture

4.8568 Ratings

🗓️ 21 September 2015

⏱️ 97 minutes

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Guest speaker: Terence McKenna PROGRAM NOTES: [NOTE: All quotations are by Terence McKenna.] “We don’t produce enough seritonin for living above 20 degrees latitude.” “I’m not a big advocate of mixing drugs, anyway. If you really want to get out into unknown territory, where there is the potential for danger, then start pouring these things together.” “It’s a funny thing the way people relate to drugs. Many people take them in environments that couldn’t be better designed to suppress the effect of the drug. For instance, crowded singles bars, noisy social environments with everybody hitting on each other, and loud music, and lots of activity, and maybe lots of vigorous dancing. Well, this is an environment designed to suppress drug effects. . . . To really see what these things do, you need and atmosphere of quite, sensory deprived darkness.” “My attitude is always if it’s legal it ain’t gonna work.” “People have trouble saying a lot about many of these things. I think that’s a learned skill; narrative ability and to keep your wits about you in those places, and to try and bring back some kind of coherent metaphor.” “The strange thing about opium is that it’s so endlessly fascinating while it’s happening, and there’s just nothing to be taken out of it. It apparently does not transcript into short term memories.” “It’s as important to tell the trip as to have the trip.” In answer to the question, “How do you regain yourself when having a difficult trip?” Terence answered, “I always have cannabis ready. It’s the rudder of the boat.” “The key when you’re having a bad trip is to make your mind wander from the bummer.” Legal status of Salvia divinorum Download MP3 PCs – Right click, select option Macs – Ctrl-Click, select option

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0:00.0

Greetings from Cyberdelic Space.

0:07.0

...leguistic artchids.

0:10.0

...and today I'm your host here in the Psychedelic Salon.

0:23.8

And today I'm in the mood for a little more Terrence McKenna.

0:28.3

So I'm going to pick up with a workshop that we heard the first part of in my podcast number 463, a little over a month ago.

0:37.4

And just one word of caution here, please keep in mind

0:41.1

that this talk was given in February of 1996, which means that some of the information are

0:48.0

particularly about Ibogaine and Salvia divenorum, the legality of Salvia in particular. Well,

0:55.2

that's almost 20 years out of date now. So while most of what Terence says here is accurate, don't take everything

1:00.1

that you are about to hear as being the current state of affairs.

1:05.1

...car somewhere and talking about all this, and I said, which do you prefer?

1:10.5

And he said, oh, I definitely prefer LSD.

1:14.0

And this is a Swiss chemist, very proper, very correct, central European intellectual.

1:24.4

And I said, why do you prefer LSD? And he said, the psilocybin is too animate.

1:33.5

And I said, you mean there's somebody in there?

1:38.0

And he said, yes.

1:41.5

And apparently that challenged his category sufficiently that he found the LSD more

1:48.6

psychoanalytic, more reassuring, more drug-like, I would say.

1:54.8

I mean, LSD does what you think a psychedelic would do if you've never taken one.

2:02.0

psilocybin, on the other hand, can surprise you.

2:06.2

Yeah?

2:06.8

No, I said, plus it's his baby.

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