Plato’s Revenge: An Interview with David Klinghoffer

Intelligent Design the Future

Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture

Science, Philosophy, Astronomy, Society & Culture, Life Sciences

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🗓️ 28 April 2025

⏱️ 25 minutes

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You're likely familiar with the genetic revolution — the discovery that physical structures in the cell, including DNA and RNA, shape every organism. But we are now overdue for another and more profound revolution in science, one you've likely heard very little about. Recent findings reveal that genetic and even epigenetic sources alone cannot account for the rich dynamism of life — not even close. Some other informational source is required. On this ID The Future, science writer and Discovery Institute Senior Fellow David Klinghoffer speaks with host Andrew McDiarmid about his new book Plato's Revenge: The New Science of the Immaterial Genome. It's a little book about a very big idea. It also tells the story of the scientist, Dr. Richard Sternberg, who has spent the last two decades bringing together cutting-edge molecular biology, higher mathematics, and commonsense reasoning to flesh out this potentially revolutionary new idea. Source

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0:00.0	ID the Future, a podcast about evolution and intelligent design.
0:10.0	Welcome to ID the Future.
0:14.0	Today my guest is science writer David Klinghofer to discuss his new book, Plato's Revenge,
0:20.0	The New Signs of the Immaterial Genome.
0:22.6	It's a concise and user-friendly introduction to the work of Dr. Richard Sturmburg
0:27.6	in his intriguing thesis that an immaterial force beyond physical reality underpins life existence,
0:34.6	something for which neither DNA nor epigenics can account.
0:39.1	Now, you may be familiar with David's work as editor of our flagship news and commentary
0:43.3	site, Evolution News and Science Today.
0:46.6	He's a Discovery Institute senior fellow and former senior editor at National Review.
0:51.8	His books include The Discovery of God, The Lord Will Gather Me in,
0:55.8	and as editor, Debating Darwin's Doubt. He has contributed to the Wall Street Journal and the New York
1:01.5	Times. A Brown University graduate, he lives on Mercer Island in Washington. And best of all,
1:08.2	I get to work with him, and I'm really grateful for that.
1:11.3	David, welcome to ID the Future.
1:12.7	Thank you very much, Andrew, and it's an interesting thing for your listeners to know that we're
1:17.6	speaking to you from Redmond, the Redmond Office of Discovery Institute, where we all work,
1:23.5	and we have also Emily Sandico here, who is Dr. Sternberg's associate.
1:28.7	We'll get into that a little bit later.
1:30.4	But there are two parallel Sternberg projects going on.
1:36.2	One is my little book about the immaterial genome.
1:40.0	And another is a large two-volume technical work that Emily is working on with Dr. Sternberg.
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