Hello and welcome to this bonus episode of Planet B, everything must change. I'm

Harcrete Corpall. This episode features an extended edition of our interview with

Indigenous Maori activist, advocate and author Tina Nagata. You may have already had

clips of this interview in our Planet B episode on Water and the Global Green New Deal. If

you haven't, make sure you check that out on the Navara Media Podcast feed.

Tina Koutou, my name is Tina Ngata and I am a descendant of the Ngati Pro people. I live on the

East Cape of Te Ikar Maui, which is more commonly known as the North Island of Aotearoa, New Zealand.

And so we're a very, really isolated people, a very small people. My small, happy and community is

we have about 500 of us living in our community and I work for my people doing environmental

planning and protection, especially for our marine estate and for our forest estates and our

freshwater systems. And I am also a researcher researching microplastic pollution into one in

Ruiya Kiwa, whose coloniser name is the Pacific Ocean. The title of my chapter for perspectives on a

Global Green New Deal is Ocean in our blood, which relates to our deep, genealogical relationships

to our ocean and to all water, in fact, and our indigenous struggle in relation to that.

Then I'll go through. Tina, thank you so much for joining us today and for your beautiful chapter

in the book as well. You begin your section in perspectives by saying, I am an ocean person,

I am the ocean as a person. Can you tell us what you mean by this? And what do you mean when you say

water is therefore my indigenous perspective, an issue of relationships? Sure. I'll give you a

little story to start off with around water. So, you know, the most common Christian creation

story, God created heaven and earth in seven days, Adam and Eve and the human race came from them.

From our perspective, our creation story is one that can be spoken of in scientific terms,

that in our cosmological terms and our narratives, we talk about the skyfather and in the first

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