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Pioneers and Rivals - Annie Turnbo Malone and Madam C.J. Walker | A’Lelia Bundles Discusses Her Ancestor’s Role in Pioneering the Black Haircare Industry | 5

Business Movers

Wondery

History, Business, Entrepreneurship

4.81.5K Ratings

🗓️ 6 March 2025

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

Madam C.J. Walker’s great-great-granddaughter A’Lelia Bundles discusses her ancestor’s role in pioneering the Black haircare industry at the turn of the 20th century.

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0:14.3

Wonderly.

0:15.0

The Wondry! It's the evening of May 31st, 1917, at Bethel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Indianapolis, Indiana.

0:36.9

49-year-old Sarah Walker joins a group of women chatting at the back of the church as they wait

0:41.8

for a missionary society meeting to begin.

0:44.7

Sarah attended services here before she moved to New York City, but now she's back in Indianapolis

0:49.7

for a few days and she's made sure she had time to visit her old church, because Sarah knows the

0:54.6

guest speaker, the Missionary Society, has invited tonight, is her old boss and business rival, Annie Malone.

1:01.7

Sarah has hardly spoken to Annie since their split 12 years ago, but she hopes this might be an

1:06.9

opportunity to clear the air. She approaches one of the organizers.

1:11.2

Mary, I'm so looking forward to tonight's talk, but I know you like to start meetings with a

1:15.2

hymn or two, and I wondered if you'd like my bookkeeper Miss Flint to play. You'll remember

1:19.8

she's a wonderful piano player. But before the organizer can answer, a familiar voice cuts in.

1:25.9

Oh, that won't be necessary. Sarah turns to find Annie Malone,

1:30.2

glaring coldly at her. Sarah tries a smile. Oh, Annie, hello, I hadn't seen you come in. I thought that

1:36.6

since Miss Flint is here, you might like to hear her play. She really is wonderful. Oh, I understand

1:41.6

that this used to be your church, Mrs. Walker, but tonight, this is my talk.

1:46.1

Of course, I meant no harm. Although I know you don't always pay attention to little things like

1:50.3

ownership. Sarah bristles because she's not used to being spoken to like this, but she takes a deep

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