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You're the one on whom we all defend Anti-Semitism is not an eternal hatred, plaguing humanity since time immemorial.

It's not a virus, a plague, or some other natural phenomenon.

It's not merely a private prejudice of the heart, not merely a symptom of extremism at the

fringes disconnected from broader political structures of the world we live in. Rather, anti-Semitism

is a political project that reinforces structural inequalities in our white

Christian hegemonic society and protects the most powerful.

So that's from the introduction to the book, Safety Through Solidarity, a radical guide to fighting

anti-Semitism.

And it's written by Ben Lorber,

a senior research analyst at political research associates,

and Shane Burley, who is the author of several books on the far right

and a frequent contributor to UNFTR favorite, The Baffler,

in these times Daily Beast and other publications.

So with that, I'd like to welcome our guests today.

We've got Ben Lorber and Shane Burley.

Welcome to the program.

Oh, thanks for how much.

So we have a ton to get into.

But why don't we just start with the basics here. And maybe one of you can just take the

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