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The Meb Faber Show - Better Investing

Phil Nadel - “If You Try to Pick Winners, and You Only Invest in a Handful of Companies, Odds Are You're Going to Lose Your Money" | #97

The Meb Faber Show - Better Investing

The Idea Farm

Investing, Management, Business

4.8978 Ratings

🗓️ 14 March 2018

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Summary

In Episode 97, we welcome one of the most successful syndicate leads in angel investing, Phil Nadel (he also happens to be Meb’s favorite syndicate lead on Angel List). After Phil runs us through his background, Meb asks about Phil’s group, Forefront Venture Partners and its connection to Angel List. Phil gives us the run-through, noting how when Angel List announced its syndicate feature, he felt it was a great way for smaller angels to get involved, so he signed up. Today, he’s one of the largest/most active leads on Angel List. Meb asks how the syndicate process works. Phil tells us that accredited investors can register and sign up with syndicate leads like Forefront. This enables them to see the deal-flow of the lead, and invest on same terms. There’s no management fee, instead, investors pay a 20% carry on the backend if there’s a profit. You can invest small amounts – sometimes as little as $1K, yet you get all the same due diligence and legal review as a big investor. Meb notes how syndicates have removed so much of the hassle and made the entire process simpler – which is both good and bad. Next, Meb asks about Phil’s syndicate and the average investor. Phil tells us the average investment in a company is roughly $300K. And they’ve invested in about 44 deals since inception. The average investment per person is around $4-5K. This dovetails into a conversation about how to approach angel investments. Phil tells us a “portfolio” approach is important. He’s against picking only a few companies, as most will go out of business. He tells us “if you try to pick winners, and you only invest in a handful of companies, odds are you’re going to lose your money.” Phil recommends picking companies diversified by industry and stage. The conversation then drifts into timing. Do you invest all at once, or drip in over time? Phil gives us his thoughts. Then it’s Phil’s rule of thumb about success rates. He tells us that out of 100 investments, 70 will go out of business. About 20-30 will stagnate, or exit as a single to a triple. Maybe one or two will turn out to be home runs. Meb asks how Phil finds his deals. Turns out, lots of referrals. The guys then dive into what Phil looks for in a company – it includes post-revenues and capital efficiency. But he’s industry and geography-agnostic. His sweet spot is a valuation in the $5-12M range. Next up, the guys discuss KPIs, or “Key Performance Indicators.” Phil discusses burn and runway, then customer acquisition cost and lifetime value. Phil wants to see that the company knows how to acquire and monetize customers in an efficient and scalable way. He then also looks at margins. There’s plenty more in this angel-themed episode: the extent of Phil’s involvement in a startup after funding… the critical role that updates from founders play in the startup process… some “bad investor behavior” which Phil has seen over the years… what Phil learned from Barbara Corcoran of the show, Sharktank… and of course, Phil’s most memorable trade.  What are the details? Find out in Episode 97. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Mebb Fabor Show, where the focus is on helping you grow and preserve your wealth.

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Join us as we discuss the craft of investing

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and uncover new and profitable ideas,

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all to help you grow wealthier and wiser.

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Better investing starts here.

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Mepp Faber is the co-founder and chief investment officer at Cambria Investment Management.

0:31.0

Due to industry regulations, he will not discuss any of Cambria's funds on this

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podcast.

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All opinions expressed by podcast participants are solely their own opinions and do not

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reflect the opinion of Cambria Investment Management or its

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affiliates. For more information visit cambria Investments.com.

0:49.4

Welcome podcast listeners today we have an awesome show for you. Our guest is a serial

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entrepreneur. Angel investor, syndicate lead, author, and a frequent speaker. He's also

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the founder, managing director at Forefront Venture Partners, which is one of

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Angel List's largest and most successful syndicates. Welcome, Phil Nadell.

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Thanks, ma'am, great to be here. So Phil, listeners, today's episode is going to focus a lot on startups in private investing

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this is a topic we've touched on briefly in a couple other episodes we had Jason

1:21.5

Calcanis on here but Phil has been probably my

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favorite lead in syndicate on investing and fill a little background as

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listeners have been following my evolution of

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doing the private investing and so probably have done 30 to 40 deals since 2014 and

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you're the I think you're the number one person that I partner up with with an

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