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🗓️ 11 April 2019
⏱️ 50 minutes
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Is the ongoing anti-corruption drive a sincere effort to root out official wrongdoing? Or is it a political purge of the enemies of Xí Jìnpíng 习近平? These questions have been hotly debated since the outset of the campaign in 2013. Now Peter Lorentzen of the University of San Francisco and Xi Lu of the National University of Singapore have harnessed data to examine the anti-corruption drive in the hopes of settling the question. Kaiser sat down with Peter on the sidelines of the recent Association for Asian Studies Conference to talk about the findings in their paper, “Personal Ties, Meritocracy, and China’s Anti-Corruption Campaign.” What to listen for on this week’s Sinica Podcast: 22:57: Of the many officials that have been purged since 2012, “three big tigers” in particular stand out: Sū Róng 苏荣, Líng Jìhuà 令计划, and Zhōu Yǒngkāng 周永康. Of the provinces Xi Lu and Peter analyzed, economic performance was a large contributing factor for official promotion except for Jiangxi, Shanxi, and Sichuan. Here, Peter provides background on these three officials, their downfall, and the “tiger territories” they previously oversaw. 30:34: In 2012, Bó Xīlái 薄熙来 was considered one of the main contenders to challenge Xi Jinping’s ascent to power. His association with the murder of a British businessman, Neil Heywood, reportedly ordered by his wife, brought a swift end to his political success. However, Peter was surprised by what he found regarding his political network in the aftermath: “If you rank people using the Google PageRank algorithm, you find Bo Xilai was below 20th. What that means, in practice, is that in our data there were not many people reported as being his cronies who were subordinate to him compared to a lot of other people.” 32:42: What does the inability of Politburo Standing Committee members to protect their personal networks say about the current political climate in China? Peter: “Even when you clump all other six Politburo [Standing Committee] members together, we didn’t see a sort of protective effect. Their associates, people we believed to be connected with them, were just as likely to go down as anyone else. So the question is: Why were they not able to protect their people?... This is not something we can observe directly in our data, but my sense is that it does show the demise of the collective leadership, first-among-equals approach.” 39:26: How many people have been subject to the corruption crackdown? Peter studied those who were investigated, whose names were published in reports by the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection by 2015. “We’re looking at the first wave of the crackdown, but that was just a thousand people [whose names we could get]. I was looking at some estimates last night, and I think people are saying that the total number as of the end of last year was 20,000 to 30,000 people overall. And you know, they’re not all people who looked wrong at Xi Jinping some day. So it’s pretty clear that he’s got to have some other way of deciding who goes down.” Recommendations: Peter: Two sitcoms, Speechless (available on ABC) and Kim’s Convenience (available on Netflix). Kaiser: Two playlists on Spotify, “Instrumental Madness” and “Got Djent?”
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0:32.3 | to the ongoing repression of Uyghurs and other Muslims in China's Xinjiang region. |
0:36.7 | We're sure you'll agree that it's a feast of |
0:38.4 | business, political, and cultural news about a nation that is reshaping the world. I'm Kaiser Gore, |
0:44.4 | and I'm coming here today from the sidelines of the AAS conference, the Association for Asian Studies |
0:48.7 | in Denver, Colorado. Jeremy Goldcorn was unable to join me today, which is regrettable, but on the bright side, I don't have to think of some clever way to introduce him. |
0:56.5 | We still read with some regularity about officials taken down by Wang Qishan and the Central Commission for Discipline inspection for various forms of malfeasance. |
1:05.5 | Among the many questions that have been raised by analysts and scholars about seize anti-corruption drive. One is probably paramount, and that is this. |
1:13.1 | Is the drive more about actually targeting corrupt individuals, |
1:16.9 | or is it more about securing Xi Jinping and removing political enemies? |
1:21.2 | Now, thanks to the work of our guest today and of his research partner, |
1:24.3 | an answer to that question is emerging. |
1:26.3 | I am pleased to introduce Peter |
1:28.4 | Lawrence, Assistant Professor in Economics at the University of San Francisco. Peter is the lead |
1:33.3 | author most recently of a paper called Personal Ties, Meritocracy, and China's Anti-Corruption |
1:38.6 | Campaign, which he co-authored with Xi Lu. It's deservedly been getting a lot of attention |
1:43.5 | in no small part because |
1:44.6 | it's a good data-driven paper. Today, we're going to unpack that paper and examine what it says |
1:49.7 | and what it doesn't say about the anti-corruption drive, at least in its first two years. So, Peter |
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