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The Tikvah Podcast

Peter Berkowitz and Gadi Taub on the Deeper Causes of Israel's Conflict

The Tikvah Podcast

Tikvah

Judaism, Politics, Religion & Spirituality, News

4.6 • 620 Ratings

🗓️ 9 March 2023

⏱️ 69 minutes

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Summary

To understand the dramas, disagreements, and protests roiling Israeli politics at this moment requires an understanding of the government’s proposed judicial reforms, as well as the history of Israel’s Supreme Court and its relationship to the Knesset. It also requires knowledge of Israeli society, and how the founding generations of Israel’s political leadership—which tended to be Ashkenazi, secular, and oriented to the political left—have given way to an Israeli population that tends to be more ethnically diverse, more traditional and religious, and oriented towards the political right.

That history, in turn, has got to be mapped onto the fact that Israel is also home to subcommunities that each have different historical relations to one another and to the government, and that is each pursuing different interests and outcomes. To understand this Israeli moment, in other words, requires understanding how each Israeli sector—Arab, Haredi, secular, national religious—relates to the nation as a whole.

This week, Jonathan Silver discusses the judicial reforms and those deeper causes together with the professor, media personality, and author Gadi Taub, as well as the political scientist, and former state department official Peter Berkowitz.

Musical selections in this podcast are drawn from the Quintet for Clarinet and Strings, op. 31a, composed by Paul Ben-Haim and performed by the ARC Ensemble.

Transcript

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0:00.0

In most of the conversations that I have on this broadcast, I focus on a specific subject.

0:13.5

We might discuss a new book or an old book.

0:16.3

We might discuss a work of writing, or history, or theology, or else some question of national security,

0:22.5

diplomacy, or the deployment of military force. This week I bring you a different kind of

0:27.6

conversation altogether. For the past three months or so, each Saturday night has, with the

0:33.7

end of Shabbat, seen popular protests in various cities in Israel, with no protest

0:38.7

site being more energetic than its epicenter in Tel Aviv. Now, the immediate cause of the

0:45.4

protests has to do with the government's proposed judicial reforms. But their scale and intensity

0:52.3

and the civic passions that they stir suggest that the protests

0:56.3

are not merely about a policy proposal, even if that policy proposal does, its true, envision

1:02.4

significant changes to the way that Israelis govern themselves. Even so, with active elected

1:08.8

members of the Knesset opposition, as well as former prime ministers,

1:12.8

and any number of military officers and business leaders so enthusiastically joining in,

1:18.6

it feels like the immediate cause of the protest, the judicial reforms, is not the whole and

1:24.2

entire reason for the protest. It seems instead that the judicial reforms are

1:29.4

a symbol or a token of a deeper, more fundamental disagreement that strikes at the very heart

1:35.8

of Israeli society. And that deeper, more fundamental disagreement is in fact exposing a fault

1:41.8

line that can be traced back to the earliest moments of the Jewish state.

1:46.6

Welcome to the Tikva podcast. I'm your host, Jonathan Silver. To understand the tone and tenor

1:52.3

of Israeli politics at this moment requires not only an understanding of how the Knesset passes laws

1:58.6

and the purview of those laws, and who decides how they are applied.

2:02.9

It requires, in other words, a more capacious understanding than Israel's present legal affairs alone.

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