Joining me now is Frank Fagluse, former FBI official and MSNBC Senior National Security Analyst.

Frank, thanks so much for earlier yourself up, but just a little bit to come and chat with us.

What did you make of what you just heard specifically, and particularly Governor Josh Shapiro,

Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro, having some things to say about the lionization of this shooter,

which we have seen both online and off.

Yeah, I've seen it myself.

I was taken aback by the degree of seeming happiness with the demise of the corporate CEO.

I get the fact that we all have

hard stories about health care insurance and denials of claims or battles that we may

have engaged in or family members. But the answer, of course, to societal problems is not

murder. And I think one of the things that began to concern me, Joy, as this went

on and on, was the possibility that we could have a kind of hero fugitive, where people would

not be helping to capture him. So this ended well with a citizen doing the right thing. And it was,

you know, as high tech as we've become in law enforcement

and we're on camera all the time and high-tech facial recognition and all of that,

it came down to releasing the photos that we had, right, even though they were masked,

and then letting the public do their job. It's the crowdsourcing of crime solving.

And as sophisticated as we may get, I'm all about believing in releasing what you have and

letting citizens get the work done for you in support of what you're doing.

And I think that process, and this is something that I think you probably thought about,

that we've talked about behind the scenes just among producers,

is whether or not that sort of lionization of him and really people's genuine anger.

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