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🗓️ 4 November 2025
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We are always asking ourselves, asking others, or others are asking us: what can I do to fight FOR democracy and fight AGAINST Trump's autocracy, dictatorship, and authoritarianism?
Glenn sat down with Miles Taylor to discuss a new approach: DEFIANCE.org. Miles has set the standard for standing up to Trump's lawlessness, his threats, and his despicable and insatiable appetite for revenge.
Miles decided to create DEFIANCE.org, described as follows: “WHAT CAN I DO?”
"We built a club to answer that question. Each month, we give you options to fight back — peacefully, lawfully, and defiantly — against Trump’s authoritarian takeover. You choose what missions to support. Then we take action together."
DEFIANCE.org is described as: "A CLUB FOR COURAGEOUS AMERICANS"
Link to website: https://www.defiance.org/
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| 0:00.0 | It's time for Justice Matters with former federal prosecutor and legal analyst Glenn Kirshman. |
| 0:15.3 | Today, Glenn speaks with national security expert Miles Taylor on ways to fight against Donald Trump's authoritarianism. |
| 0:23.8 | That's on the way next on Justice Matters. |
| 0:32.0 | Hi, I'm John Fuglesing. And I'm Professor Corey Brechtner. And we are here to tell you about |
| 0:36.8 | the oath in the office, an essential new podcast about the extremely strange times we find ourselves in. |
| 0:42.1 | In the first few seconds in office, the President of the United States is required to take an oath, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution. |
| 0:49.2 | And we're going to hold him to that pledge, despite the fact that he has threatened democracy and even the law itself. |
| 0:55.3 | It's all about hope for what democracy should look like and getting real about what our democracy |
| 0:59.5 | does look like from an esteemed constitutional scholar and a deeply unqualified comedian. |
| 1:05.0 | Subscribe to the oath in the office wherever you get your podcast. |
| 1:13.1 | Got our friend back, Miles Taylor. |
| 1:15.6 | You've seen him before. |
| 1:16.6 | I saw something he just launched. |
| 1:18.6 | And the minute I saw it, I'm like, Miles, we got to talk about this. |
| 1:22.6 | Because it really dovetails with not only what everybody is asking every day, a thousand times over, |
| 1:30.9 | what can I do? How can I get involved? How do I engage? How can I be helpful in this fight |
| 1:36.9 | for democracy and against autocracy? But it's something that I have been preaching over and over again. |
| 1:43.4 | And I'll talk about kind of my take on how people can engage in ways that aren't intuitive. |
| 1:50.0 | And I think that's exactly what Defiance.org is setting out to do, at least based on my read, but I want to hear more about, you know, what it's all about, why you decided to launch it, and what it's |
| 2:01.3 | going to provide to people when they go to defiance.org. But let me start while people are signing on |
| 2:06.4 | by introducing my friend Miles Taylor. You undoubtedly see him everywhere, including across the cable |
| 2:13.2 | news platforms. Miles served in the George W. Bush administration. He served in the first Trump |
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