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Pitchfork Economics with Nick Hanauer

People are basically good (with Rutger Bregman)

Pitchfork Economics with Nick Hanauer

Civic Ventures

Business, Government, News, Politics

4.81.5K Ratings

🗓️ 23 June 2020

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

The fundamentals of economic thought are built on the idea that humans are fundamentally self-interested. But, according to historian Rutger Bregman, that’s a misconception — in fact, humans are fundamentally good, and if we want to realistically address our greatest challenges, we need to reconsider our view of our own human nature. Rutger Bregman is a historian. He has published four books on history, philosophy, and economics, including Utopia for Realists and his latest book, Humankind: A Hopeful History. Twitter: @rcbregman Further reading: Humankind: https://www.indiebound.org/book/9780316418539 The neoliberal era is ending. What comes next? https://thecorrespondent.com/466/the-neoliberal-era-is-ending-what-comes-next/61655148676-a00ee89a Website: http://pitchforkeconomics.com/ Twitter: @PitchforkEcon Instagram: @pitchforkeconomics Nick’s twitter: @NickHanauer

Transcript

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0:00.0

How do we organize human societies to maximize the good stuff and minimize the bad stuff?

0:05.5

We have to go back to the simple insight that what you assume in each other is what you get out of each other.

0:10.8

If you believe that most people are fundamentally selfish, then you'll start designing your whole society around that idea.

0:16.0

If we tell this story that you can't trust anybody, that increases transaction costs in society.

0:22.0

The more trusting people are, the lower the

0:24.7

costs of running that economy and the better off everybody is.

0:29.2

From the offices of Civic Ventures in downtown Seattle, this is Pitch Fork Economics with

0:38.3

Nick Hanauer, where we explore everything you wished you'd learn in Econ 101.

0:48.4

I'm Nick Hanauer, founder of Civic Ventures.

0:51.5

I'm David Goldstein, Senior Fellow at Civic Ventures.

0:57.0

So Goldie, you know, one of the things that I think is just so wrong about neoclassical economics, and we've talked

1:08.4

about this a million times, is the behavior model Homo economicists, which asserts that people are perfectly reliably

1:16.6

selfish and that we can base all our thinking and our models on that and the

1:21.4

fundamental problem with that isn't that it's just

1:25.7

descriptive, it's also prescriptive in the sense that if you teach people that people

1:31.2

are fundamentally selfish and then they look around the world at all of the

1:37.2

prosperity in it, then they must conclude that

1:45.0

we're selfishness is the cause of prosperity and the more selfish we are, the more prosperity we create.

1:49.0

And that view has radically affected our culture and our policy and our politics and is at the

1:57.6

core of all a lot of the neoliberal stuff that we hate the most.

2:02.4

Right, anything goes, Nick, you know, it's the invisible hand.

2:06.0

It is, it is.

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