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This is philosophy versus improv, where two sages try to teach each other a thing or two,

and maybe you, the audience, gets something out of it as well.

This is Mark Lintonmeyer, peering into the mystical depths of philosophy.

And this is Bill Arnett, peering from the mystical depths, looking up.

Is anyone seeing me?

Is there anyone out there?

I can see. Oh, there we go. Thank you. And welcome to our guest. Please introduce yourself.

Simon Critchley. I teach philosophy at the New School for Social Research, which is where I'm speaking to you from.

And the author of Guardians' Book of the Day. And number one in the, what was the category that you just posted about on Facebook? Acult magic. Occult magic category. Mysticism. Occult slash magic?

Occult and magic? Do they, are they similar? Are they the same? Are we? There's not a cult magic. It was

occult magic. And's occult magic.

Just the regular mainstream magic that's different than the occult magic?

Not card tricks. No card tricks.

Oh, I see.

There's more magic with a CK.

No, sadly, no CK. No, it was more of a...

It was, it's, yeah, it was that like New Age spirituality. I mean, God knows

how Amazon do is in the US, it's right up there in Renaissance literary criticism.

All right. Okay. Well, perhaps you'll go mainstream here in that, I recall being in Powell's books,

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