Peer Pressure

Letters from Sing Sing

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🗓️ 6 March 2023

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

Dan talks to two jurors from JJ’s trial and tracks down the alleged accomplice. JJ’s story finally goes public.

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0:00.0	My name is Ramon Aviles.
0:11.1	R-A-M-O-N.
0:12.9	Aviles, A.S. and Apple, V.S. Victor, I.L.E.S.
0:17.3	What drew another were you?
0:18.3	I was drew number six.
0:24.6	He was the one who that 84-year-old witness, Dorothy Kennedy, picked out as the gunman.
0:32.4	To me, it was one of the strangest moments in JJ's trial.
0:37.4	I got in touch with Ramon in 2011, more than a decade after JJ's conviction, and he still
0:42.8	remembered that moment.
0:45.7	She pointed me out, which was something I never expected, but it was laughed at for like
0:53.6	it was funny, in a sense.
0:56.1	I caught on to it because I saw the other jurors looking at me.
1:00.0	And when I realized I went, whoa, did she just pick me out?
1:04.2	It was like, now there's something wrong with that, you know?
1:07.9	I mean, here she is.
1:09.2	She's at the witness stand, and she's pointing at the jury box.
1:14.0	After that happens in your inner deliberation room, how do you vote guilty?
1:19.5	That's a tough one.
1:21.9	It was definitely a tough one.
1:24.6	It kept coming back to the girlfriend.
1:27.3	Ramon told me some of the jurors didn't believe JJ's girlfriend Vanessa when she testified
1:31.9	that he'd been at home talking with his mother the morning of the murder.
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