Today on the show, we talk to the actual son of our UFO dad, Paul Heinek.

Even with Lieutenant Colonel Friend, who is my father's favorite of the Air Force directors,

when they would go investigate a case, the first thing to do was to

determine if it was if it seemed to be legitimate. If it is, then right away their

paths diverge. The Air Force director, Lieutenant Colonel Friend, would try to see if it posed a risk for national security.

Whereas my father would try to think about how to replicate it, how to get more data points to prove it,

and to demonstrate it to other people.

So even then with a great person like Lieutenant Colonel Friend, who is the best of the lot,

the best draw my father could have had, they will be going down different paths almost immediately after determining

that there's something to a report. This is somewhere in the skies with Ryan's bread. Ryan spread. Oh, Welcome to Somewhere in the skies, I'm your host Ryan Sprague.

A little crash course on the focal point of this week's episode before we get to our guest, Paul Heinek.

Joseph Alan Heinek was born in Chicago, Illinois on May 1st, 1910.

An introduction to the stars came after Heinec was bedridden with

scarlet fever at the age of seven. Having run through their supply of children's books to read, his mom turned to textbooks,

with a high school edition on Astronomy capturing Heinek's attention.

Heinec excelled in math and became editor of his school paper in high school.

By then, he'd also developed an interest in more esoteric subjects, particularly the works of

the Ross Accruition Secret Societies and hermetic philosopher

Rudolph Steiner.

After earning his Bachelor of Science from the University of Chicago in 1931, Heinec remained at the school to pursue a doctorate in astronomy.

His graduate studies took him to the Yerkes Observatory at Wisconsin's Lake Geneva, where he recalled his focus on the

Cosmos left him largely in the dark about the events like the Rise of Adolf Hitler

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