all we need is the ball.

It's not about the time, it's not about the score,

it's not about the field position.

Possession is everything.

It's November 2009, Patriots at Colts.

This is Remember That Game,

the podcast about sporting events

that take you on a journey and maybe chart the path

of the zeitgeist. I'm your host Thomas Emmerich and my guest is Anthony Dubundo, whose work you can find at the Ringer and on the Ringer Soccer Show.

And he's a lifelong Indianapolis Colts fan. We'll eventually get to the fourth

and two decision by Bill Belichick. That was a watershed moment in situational coaching, but Anthony,

how exciting was it to have the schedule drop in the mid to late 2000s and just already know

we're getting Manning versus Brady and Belichick in November, a mid-season measuring stick every year.

When I think about, you know, my childhood and fandom, Manning and Brady is the quintessential rivalry.

You know, I grew up in Philadelphia as a Colts fan, a bit of a trader to my local community with the Eagles.

But, you know, I rooted for the Phillies.

I rooted for all those teams.

But, you know, there was just nothing like Manning and Brady.

And I know that Mahomes and Allen is kind of the modern comp for it.

But I still don't think Mahomes and Allen has lived up to kind of the billing of what Manning and Brady gave us. And, you know, part of that is because

the playoff matchups have been so one-sided and maybe that'll change. But thinking back to,

you know, them playing every single year, the venue going back and forth, the rivalry, the hatred

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