So the question I want to ask you, too, what is your relationship to the author and their work, Danielle Steele?

Do you know, when I say Danielle Steele, do you know who that is?

I think of mass market paperback romance novels.

Yeah, I think of like airport books.

I've never, I wouldn't be able to tell you a title or, uh, style or like,

even if it's been, any of them have been turned into movies or anything.

Now, in Adel said romance, and I think that that's not wrong.

And I have also never read a Danielle Steele book.

But I think that Danielle Steele is like a, it's so interesting because I think the

romance genre, Daniel Steele has been as prolific as she's been writing.

I think her first book that she published was like in the 70s.

He's the Stephen King of Smut.

Well, but it's not smut because I think a lot of, I think a lot of, Stephen King,

smut type into porn.com. I think a lot of the modern day, I don't know, what are you even,

you even call it, like that kind of smut, like the trashy nature of things, is like explicitly sexual.

And I don't think that Daniel Steele, I think her thing is like more romance.

Romance, but also not even like always necessarily romance.

Like sometimes it's just like a contemporary fiction.

But it's, and I've also heard that some of her stuff is like sad or like has like, there's

like real struggle to it, which is not the same as like romance.

Yeah.

I feel like nowadays when you say romance, it's kind of loaded and people think like,

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