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Hello and welcome to the T-Fo Football Podcast. I am John Mackenzie and I'm joined

as I always am by my good friend and producer Mike Zimmerman. Mike how you doing?

It's good to be back John excited to dive into this

week's episode yeah me to you because I'm very excited about this week's

episode because I was lucky enough to have an hour long conversation with a German

tactical expert Martin Raffel who is one of the

spiel for Lagerung set. We had a long conversation about the concept of patience in football

tactics which I think is a very interesting topic on the basis of a

series of tweets that Martin put out. Mike you've just listened to the conversation

what did you make of it? Well I don't know about you but in general, I'm not really a patient person, but Martin settled me down a bit and really helped me see the balance of playing with patients and playing with a bit of risk, you know, specifically the role of Joshua Kimick at

Byron. And for me, the biggest takeaway from this episode is to always remember that

football is a game, right? There are always two sides to these conversations,

both sides are trying to win and it's really not always a case of doing X gets you a

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