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vanilla i wop i wapanella here comes eric metaxus hey there folks welcome to the program it is my joy

to have as my guest right now, my friend, Pastor Jack Hibbs.

Jack, welcome back. You just make me happy. Thanks for coming on the program.

Eric, we love you. And brother, you know, your audience doesn't know this, but a few weeks ago,

we had a chance to sit down here on the West Coast, and it was beautiful enough, but it was a cream on the top cherry with Eric. You are the best. Love you guys and thanks.

Well, I mean, I was, I may even have mentioned it on the program. I certainly mentioned it to Suzanne. What a blessing it was that evening we had together.

And I've said this a few times.

Anybody who wants to denigrate California, ladies and gentlemen, I just want to tell you,

California is one of the most beautiful places in the world.

And if somebody put a gun to my head and said, you have to leave New York, where are you going to move?

California would be at the top of the list or near the top of the list.

It's an amazing place. There are amazing churches there.

We know the downside. And we can talk about the downside. We talk about it too much

sometimes, but there are so many wonderful people of faith, so many heroic pastors in California.

I mean, I got to meet all of you guys, Rob McCoy, you, Jack Hibbs, Pastor Chee-on. I met so many Steve McClure,

so many pastors that stood heroically against the authoritarianism of Governor Newsom. And so

sometimes, you know, when when bad things happen, faith and courage come out of it.

So, Jack, you really have been such a hero.

Now, you have a new book out called to take a bold stand.

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