Amongst the many people they're alleged to have spied upon and stolen information from

include details of staff at a pasta manufacturer.

Okay, not the recipe, but yeah, the staff, right.

Smashing Security, Episode 392, Paster Spies and Private Eyes, and are you applying for a ghost job with Carol Terrio and Graham Cluley?

Hello, hello, and welcome to Smashing Security episode 392. My name is Graham Plouly. And I'm Carol Terrio. Now, Carol, it's a very special day, the day of recording, isn't it? Scary day. Scary day? Oh, because... November 5th. Bonfire night. Isn't that the reason why everyone is thinking about November the 5th this year? Yes, that's why. No of a reason, reason. Yes, the world's going up in flames. Yes, that's exactly what we're worried about. I don't want to talk about it. I want to kick off this show. But first, I want to thank our wonderful sponsors, One Password, Vanta and Flashpoint. It's their support that help us give you this show for free.

Now, coming up on today's show, Graham, what do you got?

I'm going to be talking about Snooping scandal, which is taking place in Italy.

Okay, and I'm going to delve into the world of ghost jobs. God, I should have done this last week when it was Halloween.

All this and much more coming up on this episode of Smashing Security.

Now, chums, chums, let me take you to the beautiful land of Italy. We all love Italy. Fantastic food,

fantastic architecture, fantastic people, fantastic weather. It's one of the best countries in the world. Beautiful coastline. Yeah, it's lovely. Looks like a boot. What else can we say about Italy? You don't really appreciate that when you go and see it, though. No, you can't really tell. It's not that easy to tell from it. You have to zoom out. Got to jump up really high. Well, bad news, I'm afraid, because hackers are alleged to have been stealing confidential data related to some of the country's most prominent figures, including politicians.

They're even said to have accessed the contents of the email account of Italian president Sergio Matarella.

Okay, nightmare.

So police have arrested four people as part of a major probe into this snooping and hacking scandal.

People they've arrested include a former super cop, Carmine Gallo.

What's a super cop?

A super cop is a very important policeman.

In this case, Signor Gallo is remembered for his courageous investigations into mafia gangs.

His success in rescuing kidnap victims.

So he was a top cop.

Top cop.

That's how the English would put it.

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