A warning before we start. This episode includes strong language and discussions about suicide and child sexual abuse.

I am the most complicated person you'll ever meet. Like you can think of me as a

miniature universe, literally. I'm like the fractals of the universe.

Teal Swan told me this during our interview in Costa Rica.

I have an aspect to me that's like an artist, an aspect of me that's like a

temptress an aspect of me that's serial killer an aspect of me that's like all of it,

all of it isn't me. I'm aware of it as well

so I think my complexity is what makes me incredibly unique and the fact that I'm authentic

about all of it most of us try to hide ourselves, I really don't.

Over the last year, I've been trying to figure out who Teal really is, and understand her influence.

To her followers, she's a savior, a healer.

She's Teal Swan the spiritual catalyst. To her critics, she's a narcissist. A dangerous

cult leader, the suicide catalyst. Whatever you feel about her at this point, she is a catalyst.

She started something that's grown beyond her control. Now in the last episode, I'm going to show you just how far her influence goes and then

I'm going to see what she has to say about it. I'm going to have one final

interview with Teal. Nobody thinks when they're getting into the business of helping people save their lives

that they're going to get accused of the opposite.

What are you accused of?

Causing people to commit suicide, mostly.

Being only concerned with money, taking advantage of people,

the typical stuff, so they say,

over running a cult.

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