meta_pixel
Tapesearch Logo
Log in
Scratch & Win

Part 2: Unholy Alliance

Scratch & Win

GBH News

History

51.5K Ratings

🗓️ 27 September 2023

⏱️ 53 minutes

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

In the early 1970s a radical idea took shape: tearing down Boston’s elevated downtown highway, and rebuilding it underground. But making it happen will require a grand bargain between two competing tunnel projects, and between bitter enemies.

Credits:

Host and scriptwriter: Ian Coss

Executive Producer: Devin Maverick Robins

Producers: Isabel Hibbard and Ian Coss

Editor: Lacy Roberts

Editorial Advisor: Stephanie Leydon

Fact Checker: Lisa Wardle

Scoring and Music Supervision: Ian Coss

Project Manager: Meiqian He

Transcript

Click on a timestamp to play from that location

0:00.0

Support for the Big Dig comes from Cure Alzheimer's Fund, which supports foundational scientific research

0:07.0

into the causes of Alzheimer's disease, because research is the only path to a cure.

0:13.6

Learn more at cure ALZ.org. The idea for the Big Dig began with an unlikely friendship.

0:28.0

During the highway debates in the early 70s, Fred Salvucci, one of the highway opponents, went to a ton of meetings.

0:36.4

And across the table at many of those meetings was a man named Bill Reynolds.

0:41.8

He was there to represent the road builders.

0:45.0

He's a likable guy, but obviously he wanted to build all the roads and I wanted to build none of the roads.

0:50.3

So we would meet every Thursday and almost always in disagreement on the substance

0:55.6

But you get to know each other you get to be pretty friendly

0:58.6

One day Reynolds tells Salvucci you I, we need to talk.

1:03.8

We ended up at Jacob Wirth, which was kind of a sawdust on the floor, old delicatessen.

1:09.7

He wanted to talk about a highway, of course, but not any of the roads you heard about in the last episode.

1:16.5

This was about a highway that had already been built, called the central artery.

1:21.8

And Rennel said, you know, I've been trying to figure out why you guys don't like highways.

1:28.0

Because highways are beautiful things. They've built America, they built the middle grass, and I've come to the conclusion that the reason you don't like highways is because the elevated Central Lottery is such a big, ugly dysfunctional thing. It's like a giant neon sign flashing saying,

1:44.0

highways are bad, highways are ugly, highways don't work.

1:47.0

The central artery was one of the first elevated highways built anywhere in the country, well before the anti-highway movement had gathered any real

1:56.2

strength in Boston.

1:58.6

If you recall the hub and spoke plan for the whole city, this was the north-south spoke, designed to bring traffic right into the heart of downtown.

2:10.0

In the 50s, when the artery was under construction, the Boston Globe hailed it as our highway in the skies and claimed that it would soon, quote,

2:20.0

smash the city's bottleneck.

2:22.0

Well, that mood changed pretty quickly. smash the city's bottleneck.

...

Please login to see the full transcript.

Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from GBH News, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.

Generated transcripts are the property of GBH News and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.

Copyright © Tapesearch 2025.