Part 2 - Augustine, Analogy of Being, Delusion & Fr Romanides Worship in "John the Pilgrim" - Jay Dyer

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🗓️ 23 July 2022

⏱️ 94 minutes

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Today I will be replying to an individual as a test case of mental illness and obsessive subversion which will function as a case study - not only in mental illness and prelest, but also in some of the real issues in the Orthodox world. For years various individuals, when opposed or refuted, become obsessive and as always happens, eventually out themselves as adopting bizarre heresies or having unorthodox pet beliefs all along. Often this has to do with not having actually done the reading or had any philosophical training, thinking they can bypass that with their nauseating piety signaling and spiritual one-upping. Today one of these subversives has been outed and will be a case example in delusion, heresy and mental illness as we cover the real issue in Fr Romanides' actual mistakes and what the fruits are with one of his obsessive, clearly mentally unstable disciples. It will also help clarify the issues are not a choice between Augustine or Fr Romanides but that both are in error.

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0:00.0	only Christ is the image of God. What? I'm pretty sure that icons are the image of God. Do you understand that the silliness of this dumb position would undercut the notion that icons are images of the divine? Every icon is teaching you about the uncreated. That does not mean that the icon is the uncreated. It's directing you to the uncreated. It is picking out the
0:22.4	uncreated. But Romanides Clear's day says, the image of God is Christ. Even Adam is not the image
0:32.2	of God. I'm pretty sure the Bible says we are made in the image of God and we lack the likeness.
0:36.8	Romanides says no no and why does
0:41.0	he say that clear as day in the epistemology of the fathers nothing in the
0:50.2	created world is an image of God. What?
0:59.6	I'm pretty sure Christ is the image of God and he has a created human nature.
1:04.8	I'm pretty sure that I'm the image of God. I mean, this is the whole philosophy of iconography. But do you understand that there's a connection between iconography, the Bible, and the created world. Maximus says that the
1:14.2	created world is a veil the logos wears. It's his, it's a theophantic manifestation.
1:23.1	How are they theophantic manifestations if the created does not image the divine? I mean, this is so
1:28.9	absurd. And all of the people worshipping him need to hear this and they need to know this,
1:36.5	that they're making a, they're being silly, okay? Because he goes on to say that all he does is confused the fact that we can't name the essence of God
1:48.8	by saying that we also can't name the energies of God that that's that's the whole mistake
1:52.7	do you not see how silly this is and naming the energies does not say you're defining the energies.
2:01.2	This is so silly.
2:03.8	And it gets even worse when he talks about the low geek.
2:08.4	He's really bad on this.
2:11.1	Has little to no understanding at all of what St. Maximus says.
2:14.0	And that's why, by the way, why you'll notice today in John the Pilgrim,
2:19.2	when we get to him, wait until you see the ludicrous stuff that John Pilgrim says about the
2:24.2	divine mind. He has no idea what he's talking about. I mean, it's going to be crazy level stuff.
2:30.2	So I'm going to have to get the power cord and get a drink of water.
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