Virtue signaling is a huge net good. It's amazing that we are the kinds of animals who display not just our physical health and not just our intelligence, but our ethics and our sort of a moral heart.

This is one of the most interesting conversations I have ever had.

Jeffrey Miller is an evolutionary psychologist whose accolades are so extensive,

I couldn't fit half of them in the show description.

He has published over a hundred academic works, with over 14,000 citations.

He's the author of several popular books on human sexuality, and he has appeared in media

everywhere from the New York Times to the Joe Rogan experience. I highly recommend that you interact with

all of his content, which you can find linked in the show description. In this conversation,

we talk about pandemics, politics, polyamory, and the evolution of consciousness, among other

things roughly in that order. Parents be warned, this episode is PG-13.

I hope you enjoy.

You were the first person on my Twitter feed to actually sound the alarm about coronavirus.

This was in mid-February, which was a time when I was one of the morons

saying that it was just the flu. And now I'm running out of toilet paper and feeling very foolish.

So I'm just kind of curious as a starting question, what was the first thing that made you

concerned about coronavirus? I think there were really three things that came together for me.

One was I'd actually spent a lot of December and January in China on hospital. about coronavirus? I think there were really three things that came together for me.

One was I'd actually spent a lot of December and January in China on honeymoon with my wife,

Diana Fleischman.

So everything that was happening in China was very salient to me and felt real.

And it was my first time visiting mainland China.

And I think a lot of Americans think of it as being like the far side of the moon.

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