This is the Friends Vista Debating Society.

I'm John Batchwith, Michael Yon.

Michael Yon slashedlocals.com,

where to see Michael's reporting.

He's in Panama having again ventured to the Darian Gap,

picking up information about immigrants

coming from the global south to the global north.

This is going on in Europe, it's going on in Asia,

it's going on in the Americas.

The flow here is about climate, it's about bad governance,

it's about opportunity.

But at the same time, it's about famine.

And Michael, I pick up on an interview

that the Gideon Rockman, the foreign correspondent,

the foreign correspondent columnist

for the Financial Times, has published with David Milliband,

who's president of the International Rescue Committee,

the IRC, well-known international NGO.

He was foreign secretary of the United Kingdom

in the last labor government.

I pick up on David Milliband's comment.

Well, I think that our diagnosis is that in 2022,

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