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Palestine Pt. 4: False Solutions and Paths of Resistance with Sumaya Awad

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🗓️ 12 December 2023

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

Before the Zionist project and the state of Israel placed their boots on the neck of Palestine, this region was a multicultural, multi-religious land, where Christians, Jews, and Muslims lived side-by-side in relative peace and harmony.

And despite what Israeli forces propagandize, this so-called “conflict” in the Middle East is not some millennia-old, intractable holy war between two religions. It's quite simply and very classically a case of settler-colonialism. When we see what's happening in Palestine from this perspective, the solution becomes quite clear: end the occupation.

But despite this clarity, ending the occupation is no simple feat. Not only is there little appetite for this in Israel, of course, but with the entire cavalry of US military, financial, and PR support behind it, an end to the zionist colonization and occupation of Palestine feels, well, to put it gently, perhaps not feasible in the short term.

Of course, this doesn't mean that the fight for Palestinian liberation is a lost cause — far from it. Not only are there many battles to be fought which will bring liberation just that much closer, and which can improve conditions drastically, but the ultimate aim of ending the occupation of Palestine is a goal that the left can never abandon. As Noura Erakat reminded us in the second episode in our series on Palestine: we are, in many ways, all Palestinians.

In this episode we're going to explore how to end the occupation and the colonization of Palestine. We’ll explore some of the steps to get there, some of the barriers, some of the false solutions, and what a liberated Palestine might look like.

To guide us on this journey we’ve brought back onto the show Sumaya Awad. Sumaya is a Palestinian writer, analyst, and socialist organizer based in New York City. She’s the Director of Strategy and Communications at the Adalah Justice Project and a contributor to and co-editor, along with brian bean, of Palestine: A Socialist Introduction, published by Haymarket Books.

Our first conversation with Sumaya a few weeks ago is what kicked off our ongoing series on Palestine. And although you can certainly listen to each episode separately and in any order, they do all build on one another to set up helpful context as we move forward.

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0:00.0

I think it is definitely true that we need to be thinking beyond like the word peace because

0:26.1

what does that mean and how has it been used against us in the past and beyond this illusion

0:31.8

of separate Palestinian statehood, certainly in the context of a two-state solution. That said,

0:37.7

I do think it's useful to think about what does it mean when we say no two-state doesn't work,

0:43.8

one-state does because I think it gets to the heart of the most important thing that we're trying to

0:49.8

build, which is freedom for everybody regardless of race, religion, culture, background. That in fact,

0:57.1

your rights and your freedoms are not based on an identity you bolder do not hold. They're just

1:03.2

based on your humanity, based on you being a human, and that's just the foundation. And I think

1:09.4

that's what's so useful in talking about a one-state solution and that's what's so useful in saying

1:13.6

from the river to the sea, that in fact from the river to the sea is a call for liberation for

1:18.5

all and a call for freedom for all and an insistence that one people's freedom cannot mean the

1:26.4

oppression of another. You are listening to upstream, upstream, upstream, upstream, a podcast of

1:34.0

documentaries and conversations that invites you to unlearn everything you thought you knew about

1:39.8

economics. I'm Dela Duncan. And I'm Robert Raymond. Before the Zionist project in the state of

1:46.0

Israel placed their boots on the neck of Palestine, this region was a multicultural, multi-religious land

1:53.9

where Christians, Jews, and Muslims live side by side in relative peace and harmony. And despite

2:01.4

what Israeli forces propagandize, this so-called conflict in the Middle East is not some millennia

2:08.0

old, intractable, holy war between two religions. It's quite simply and very classically a case

2:14.4

of settler colonialism. When we see what's happening in Palestine from this perspective, the solution

2:21.0

becomes quite clear and the occupation. Despite this clarity, ending the occupation is no simple

2:28.7

feat. Not only is there little appetite for this in Israel, but with the entire cavalry of the

2:34.6

US military, financial, and PR support behind it, an end to the Zionist colonization and occupation

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