Hello, hello, hello, I am delighted to be joined by Benjamin Al, who is the director of the

Palestine Solidarity Campaign, thus of course one of the absolute key leaders of the movement

in solidarity with the Palestinian people, obviously in terms of the decades of oppression,

occupation and apartheid, and now specifically the mass slaughter which is taking place

with Israel massacring thousands of innocent people with the support of our government and

Western governments. Ben, it's such an honor to have you, thank you. Thank you, I'm good to be in.

Firstly, I mean, just strike me, it's just the world turned upside down, the amount of gas lighting,

whereby the real extremists are the people being portrayed as those who oppose 4,000 plus children

being slaughtered, and it's a lot more because there's unfortunately lots of the bodies trapped in

the rubble who aren't counted, and the real moderate to the people who support what the United

Nations calls collective punishment, and some UN special rapporteurs are calling genocide.

What is going on? What's their strategy here? Well, yeah, look, there's, I mean, some of this

is very, very familiar to anybody who's been campaigning for Palestinian rights for years,

but it's really stark now because of the scale of what we're witnessing. So, you know, anyone who's

been in this terrain knows that if you campaign for Palestinian rights, if you try to accurately

define what's the nature of Palestinian oppression, if you use appropriate terms like apartheid,

if you talk about the Palestinian people's right of return, then you find yourself, you know, accused

of support for terrorism, you find yourself accused of anti-Semitism, you find yourself even

accused of having genocidal intense towards all the Jewish people. So, those are sort of familiar

narratives that have been there for years, and they played themselves out whenever we're doing

a demonstration, one aspect of that is to try to focus on a small element of people who might

attend a large march with a problematic placard and say that's indicative of the entire march.

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