Hi and I'm Antonia Dodge.

Welcome to today's Hacker Podcast. My name is Joel Mark Witt.

And I'm Antonia Dodge.

Welcome to today's podcast.

We are talking about something that is currently interesting to both of us, both

Joel and I, because we have people in our lives that are dealing with some pretty severe

situations. are dealing with some pretty severe situations

situations that are causing a lot of pain.

And so we were talking about the difference between pain and suffering.

There's a quote that I heard recently which is that pain is not optional in life like we're

always going to experience pain but suffering is optional and so what is the difference between pain and suffering?

So why is pain not optional and why is suffering optional?

I guess pain is something we all have, right?

So I actually don't know the answer. I feel you asked me

and I'm like supposed to be this pontificating, like wisdom, Zen master to have the answer.

She's looking at me. Well, I'm looking at you because you're the only other person in the room.

Well, I know that. I wasn't necessarily asking you. It was more of like a, it was an open-

That was a rhetorical question. It was a rhetorical question. It was a question to get your, you know, thoughts moving.

What is the difference between pain and suffering?

I think, well I would say pain is something we all, I mean it happens, it's a physicality thing, like you feel pain all your life physically, you might be sick or feel pain and stuff.

And then you have varying levels of pain.

How I interpret that. and then you have a moment, you have varying levels of pain.

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