Hello and welcome to another episode of IWay with Jamila, a podcast that has absolutely no fucking time for shame.

Now I'm re-rere releasing an episode, don't turn off, it is an amazing episode, it's also a very important episode.

It's one of the best interviews I feel like I've ever gotten to experience because my guest is just such a riot. Her name is Cindy Gallup and she's a legend and an extraordinary feminist, a very emboldening and empowering woman who is, who has just such a creative

and galvanizing mind and she's so funny and frank and brilliant on this episode.

It was just such a fucking breath of fresh air and so many people enjoyed it when I first put it out but it was a while ago and I know

a lot of you are new to this podcast and I want you to hear it.

Not only because I think it's a very important subject, but also because I'm making an announcement.

I, Jameida Jameel, am entering into the world of porn. You heard me, but I'm not going to be on camera

because I have no skills sexually. Otherwise I'd love to, but I no one wants to see that,

unfortunately, but I would like to be a part of helping

Cindy Gallup my guest who has her own company called Make Love Not Porn which is

pro porn pro sex but pro knowing the. I would like to help her create more of the

safe and diverse and respectful and consensual pornography that she makes and it's not just women who write to her saying

thank you so much for this pornography it's a lot of men who also find that

the barbaric nature of so many mainstream porn sites are deeply off putting and not what they're actually looking for.

People are looking to get turned on, not just shocked again and again.

So much of it is like shock culture that can help make a pornography video go viral and get attention rather than just turn people on.

And that leads to quite a problematic culture around sex, especially when kids are looking at this

stuff and teenagers. Pornography can be a big part of shaping someone's

sexuality and I understand that there's many people who just want to get rid of

it altogether but I don't necessarily feel like that's the way.

There are things that pornography does that can serve people

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