This is the Friends of History Debating Society. I'm John Batchewa, Jeremy Zakasin,

New South Wales. And to recover what we witnessed these last years is the wildfires of 2019.

You probably saw some of them on the video of these massive red and orange flame walls,

and huge black smoke pouring out of Queensland, really all the continent was struggling with

it. As the underbrush burnt, set off by camfires, by lightning strikes, that changed the atmosphere

over the Pacific. It may and it's a new theory have triggered three lanyans in a row that

brought the severe rain and flooding of these last years. There's another product that we

can identify as a possibility for those extreme rains brought by the three lanyans. And that's

first Jeremy the mice. First there were mice, right? We didn't. We started with the flood of mice

pushing into the farmlands of New South Wales and Queensland, and they were headed your way. But

they're not the mice have a predator, and the predator is snakes. So Jeremy, is it far

fetched to say that the three lanyans triggered by the wildfires drove the mice out of the

high ground, the mice reproduced, and the snakes then had something to feed on. And so the wet

temperatures of the last two years plus a lot of food that would be mice leave the snakes in a

position to keep reproducing. I'm trying to find a positive here Jeremy because I'm beginning

to think there's no place safe in Australia for the venomous snakes. You're right on the mark,

there John, that is exactly right. Well firstly, there is no safe place from snakes in Australia. I think

we're now learning from day to day. But also too, you remember the very first thing we spoke about in

this entire lanyan cycle was suddenly the mice population absolutely exploding here in New South

Wales and it wasn't just a two folder or three fold increase over the space of many months. It was

almost a tenfold increase in the first month and that was caused by a lot of heavy rain, a lot of

new growth. And basically the mice being displaced from those low lying areas where they'd been living

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