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The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast

Overdiagnosis with Allen Frances

The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast

Pocket Psychiatry: A Carlat Podcast

Health & Fitness, Mental Health, Medicine, Alternative Health

4.8440 Ratings

🗓️ 6 January 2025

⏱️ 17 minutes

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Summary

Allen Frances shares his approach to chronic depression.CME: Take the CME Post-Test for this Episode (https://www.thecarlatreport.com/blogs/2-the-carlat-psychiatry-podcast/post/4963-overdiagnosis-with-allen-frances)Published On: 01/06/2025Duration: 16 minutes, 47 secondsChris Aiken, Allen Frances, and Kellie Newsome, PMHNP have disclosed no relevant financial or other interests in any commercial companies pertaining to this educational activity.

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0:00.0

Did nine out of ten college students really develop a psychiatric disorder during COVID lockdown?

0:06.0

In our final interview with Alan Francis, we try to restore some diagnostic boundaries.

0:14.4

Welcome to the Carlet Psychiatry Podcast, keeping psychiatry on us since 2003.

0:20.0

I'm Chris Sagan, the editor-in-chief of the Carlatte Psychiatry Report.

0:23.6

And I'm Kelly Newsom, a psychiatric MP and a dedicated reader of every issue.

0:31.2

On a good day, psychiatry follows the laws of science.

0:35.7

But most of the time, it follows the law of unintended consequences.

0:40.7

You give Benadryl, and it makes the patient stay wide awake. You give medaphano, and they fall asleep.

0:47.2

Or, like the time I advised a depressed patient to try smiling more often in social encounters.

0:53.2

He came back and said that was the worst advice anyone had ever given him.

0:58.3

When you're as depressed as I am and you try to smile, you just look like a freak.

1:03.8

It scares people.

1:06.3

One such unintended consequence happened in the 1990s.

1:10.4

When the APA launched DSM-4, just as a

1:13.0

pharmaceutical industry was launching the largest crop of new psychiatric medications this world

1:17.8

has ever seen.

1:19.7

Alan Francis helped birth that baby, and he came to regret some of its effects.

1:24.3

Where people once turned to community, faith, therapy, and poetry, they now turn to a

1:28.8

clinical manual of mental disorders to understand the problems of everyday life. And there they found

1:33.9

them, from overeating to social isolation, all with FDA-approved medications to pave over the suffering

1:40.6

road. The best psychiatrists pivot when the law of unintended consequences strikes, when their

1:47.5

patient calls with acute dysphoria and agitation after starting an antidepressant,

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