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Inquiring Minds

Outraged: Why We Fight About Morality and Politics and How to Find Common Ground with Kurt Gray

Inquiring Minds

Inquiring Minds

Science, Society & Culture, Neuroscience, Female Host, Interview, Social Sciences, Critical Thinking

4.4848 Ratings

🗓️ 21 January 2025

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

In this episode of Inquiring Minds, host Indre Viskontas speaks with Kurt Gray, a professor of psychology and neuroscience at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and director of the Center for the Science of Moral Understanding. Gray’s groundbreaking new book, Outraged: Why We Fight About Morality in Politics and How to Find Common Ground, delves into the psychological roots of moral outrage and the societal divisions it fuels. Through scientific insights and engaging anecdotes, Gray explains how our deeply ingrained perceptions of harm shape our moral convictions and why bridging moral divides is both critical and possible. They discuss: The psychological basis of moral outrage and why it’s driven by differing perceptions of harm. How disgust and fear influence our moral judgments and why facts alone rarely resolve disagreements. The role of social media in amplifying moral panics and polarizing society. Why shared stories and genuine listening are more effective than statistics in fostering understanding. Gray also explores myths about morality, including the false belief that humans evolved as apex predators, and provides evidence for how our evolutionary history as prey shaped the cooperative moral frameworks we rely on today. Despite the challenges of polarization, Gray offers hope for bridging divides through empathy, understanding, and open dialogue. Listen in to gain a deeper understanding of how morality drives human behavior, divides societies, and offers pathways for reconciliation. Outraged is available now at booksellers everywhere. Links: Get Kurt’s new Book “Outrage” on Amazon and visit his website: kurtjgray.com And connect with Kurt on X and Linkedin Inquiring Minds Homepage: https://inquiring.show/ Support the show: https://www.patreon.com/inquiringminds See https://omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information

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0:00.0

You and Betty and the nancy's and bills and joes and James will find in the study of science a richer, more rewarding life.

0:09.7

Hey, welcome to Inquiring Minds. I'm Indravis Gontas. This is a podcast where we explore the space where science and society collide.

0:17.6

We want to find out what's true, what's left to discover, and why it matters.

0:31.2

And when it comes to the collision of science and society, one major driver seems to be morality, or what we consider to be right

0:40.5

and good and why the other side is wrong or bad. They're morally bankrupt, right? Or so we each think.

0:48.6

Morality is complicated, and usually I leave it to the philosophers to fight it out, and outside

0:54.0

of defining my own moral values, I don't tend to look at it through the lens of science.

0:59.5

But what if we could apply some of the principles that pulled psychology out of the subjective dark ages and into objective reality?

1:09.5

What if instead of talking about moral values, we focused on moral

1:13.8

behavior, the observable aspects of this complex system? Enter Kurt Gray, a professor of psychology

1:22.0

and neuroscience at UNC Chapel Hill, where he directs the Center for the Science of Moral Understanding.

1:29.5

It's never been more critical to understand the other side when our deeply divided nation

1:34.7

and many other countries in the world use moral values to make policy decisions, ones that affect

1:40.7

everyone.

1:42.2

Even when faced with natural disasters, morality is coming into play like never before.

1:47.8

So to figure out how we can overcome our divisions, maybe we need a little more science in our morality and a little

1:55.6

objectivity to help us deal with our outrage. Kirk Gray, welcome to inquiring minds.

2:02.3

Thanks so much for having me.

2:03.6

Excited to talk.

2:05.5

So let's talk about your methods.

2:07.8

And how do you observe morality?

2:11.1

How do you know what people's morals are

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