Okay, let's face facts here. One of these days the universe is going to end, not just the

Earth, not even just our galaxy, but all of it, every star, every nebula. not

fully comfortable with the idea that I'm going to die and I'm certainly not comfortable with the

whole universe is gonna die but it seems like that's the way of things.

It's Thursday, April 4th, but every day is Science Friday.

I'm John Dankowski.

There are a lot of

the possibilities about how exactly that cosmic catastrophe might happen. Coming up, we're going to talk with someone who's been thinking a lot about the end of the universe.

But first, let's remember someone who spent his career thinking about how people make decisions.

Psychologist Daniel Kahneman. He died last week at the age of 90.

His work turned many of the traditional ideas about economics upside down. He argued that

people often make bad decisions that go against their own self-interest. It's something he continued

to study throughout his career and he wrote about in a book called Noise, a flaw in human judgment.

He co-authored it back in 2022 and here he is talking with Ira Plato about that book.

Daniel Kahnman, welcome to Science Friday.

My pleasure.

Nice to have you.

All right, let's begin talking about this.

The title of your book is called Noise.

What is Noise?

And how is it different from bias?

Well, the starting point really is that judgment is a form of measurement.

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