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I'm happy Wethers Day to one and all. And I can Stan O'Nall and I are, I don't know what

we're doing. We're honoring Mother's Day by spending half an hour talking about the

authoritarian threat, not dishonoring it by neglecting our mothers or wives or others, I hope. Yes.

You can rationalize this. You're a Harvard professor. You can, you can come up at arguments, right.

Yeah, exactly. And we're very pleased to be joined by Daniel Ziblett, well-known as the author of

How Democracies Die, co-author with Steve Lewitsky

and other, many other books and many, many other works.

It's certainly been very prominent, as you should have been over the last six years.

I particularly would recommend that your more political science and historical work, I guess,

on conservative parties and the birth

of democracy. Is that what it's called? Something like that. That's right. And actually your earlier

work, which I, even I, which I've looked at, I've not exactly read on Italy and Germany and the state

development there. So I say Daniel is really an unusual political scientist in seeing the big

picture, but also the particularities of

things, the trends, but also the contingencies of history, which I think is somewhat rare,

in my opinion. Political science has gotten very much a very big picture, wouldn't you say?

Not quite as interested in history and particularity as it was, was maybe.

Yeah, although I think that the real world of events have kind of not very interesting, not quite as interested in history and particularity as it was, was maybe.

Yeah, although I think that the real world of events have kind of impinged on people to begin to ask more important questions, I think.

Yeah, no, I, yeah, that's interesting.

As things have gotten more urgent, I think people have.

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