You can have something that is just spicy or just difficult.

But if it's just spicy with no flavor, it's not fun.

And if it's just difficult without the good like game design underneath it,

it's not fun. So yeah, there is a difference between just like on the axes of like

spice and flavor and when you get more spice, you get more flavor out of it.

I like for me that that's just Thai food all the way is like more spice,

more flavor. It's directly proportional.

There are some foods where it's like, this is just spicy and I'm not having fun.

So what I'm saying is I like it when my ramen has good game design in it.

Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of the Orville StarCastic podcast.

I am Blue and I'm joined by Red.

I've been doing a lot of nerd homework this week. So my head's full of twilight

zone episodes and Renaissance sword fighting techniques.

Two very different mental spaces to be occupying.

Oddly, not that much overlap between them now that I think about it.

Yeah, both very nerdy and very homework, but not anywhere near on the same axis.

Yeah, I had some some nerd homework of my own.

Indigo and I were at VidCon in Baltimore over the past weekend.

Well, weekend before last at time of recording.

But we had a little panel at VidCon that we moderated with some cool educational

creators, which was a nice little fun time.

And then I gave a talk about historical storytelling, AKA there are better historians than me.

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