Orthodox VS Catholic Debate on the Papacy w/ Fr. Patrick Vs Erick Ybarra

Pints With Aquinas

Matt Fradd

Christianity, Religion & Spirituality, Education

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🗓️ 2 March 2021

⏱️ 146 minutes

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The Resolution is: The Doctrine of Papal Primacy given at Vatican I is true to Apostolic Tradition. Fr. Patrick (John Ramsey) was born in 1970 in New Zealand. He attended the University of Waikato in Hamilton New Zealand, completing Bachelor's degrees in Science, majoring in Mathematics, and in Law with honors. He then completed a Master of Theology in Orthodox Studies at the University of Wales, in 2010 followed by a Ph.D. in Orthodox ecclesiology in 2015 at the University of Winchester, England. He presently works as a distance tutor for the Institute for Orthodox Christian Studies in Cambridge, England. He serves as a priest in the Western Rite deanery in the UK under the Russian Church Outside Russia. He has enjoyed engaging in Facebook discussions for a number of years after contributing to Orthodox blogs before this. Erick Ybarra is a Latin rite Catholic speaker and blogger. Having graduated from the University of Central Florida with a B.S, he currently works for a global manufacturer in Technology. While entering University as an atheist, he had an encounter with the Lord Jesus Christ through the Reformed Baptist tradition. After spending years as a Protestant, he crossed the horizon to high-Church Anglicanism where he prayerfully studied the Bible and Church History leading to his conversion to the Catholic Church. He is a co-host for popular YouTube channel Reason and Theology and has made plenty of public appearances on Catholic social networks. His writings specialize in Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy, and he can be found at www.ErickYbarra.org. He is a Husband and Father of 5 children, living in the upper Midwest of the United States. Join my email list and get my FREE ebook! https://pintswithaquinas.com/understanding-thomas/ SPONSORS Hallow: http://hallow.app/mattfradd STRIVE: https://www.strive21.com/ Catholic Chemistry: https://www.catholicchemistry.com/ GIVING Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mattfradd This show (and all the plans we have in store) wouldn't be possible without you. I can't thank those of you who support me enough. Seriously! Thanks for essentially being a co-producer coproducer of the show. LINKS Website: https://pintswithaquinas.com/ Merch: https://teespring.com/stores/matt-fradd FREE 21 Day Detox From Porn Course: https://www.strive21.com/ SOCIAL Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/PintsWithAquinas Twitter: https://twitter.com/mattfradd Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pints_w_aquinas MY BOOKS Does God Exist: https://www.amazon.com/Does-God-Exist-Socratic-Dialogue-ebook/dp/B081ZGYJW3/ref=sr_1_9?dchild=1&keywords=fradd&qid=1586377974&sr=8-9 Marian Consecration With Aquinas: https://www.amazon.com/Marian-Consecration-Aquinas-Growing-Closer-ebook/dp/B083XRQMTF/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=fradd&qid=1586379026&sr=8-4 The Porn Myth: https://www.ignatius.com/The-Porn-Myth-P1985.aspx CONTACT Book me to speak: https://www.mattfradd.com/speakerrequestform Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hello and welcome to Pines with Aquinas. My name is Matt Fraed. I'm glad you're here for today's debate.
0:07.0	We have a debate here today on whether the doctrine of papal primacy given at Vatican I is true to apostolic tradition.
0:19.0	We have both Father Patrick and Eric Ibarra who will be debating this issue. I'm not going to spend much time reading bios if you'd like to read the bios of the two gentlemen you can check that out below.
0:33.0	Thank you so much Father and Eric for being here.
0:40.0	We're going to begin with 20 minute opening statements and so Eric if you'd like whenever you'd like to begin do you have your own way of timing this Eric or it's okay.
0:54.0	I don't but I think it's roughly going to be 20 minutes. No problem at all. All right. Feel free to begin whenever.
1:02.0	Thank you. The question before us today is whether the doctrine of papal primacy as formulated at the Council of Vatican I is taught in apostolic tradition.
1:15.0	Let me begin by defining the Council's definition. The Council's decree passed their eternus which means the eternal shepherd referring to Jesus Christ gives a definition in four parts.
1:30.0	These four parts describe one the institution two permanence three nature and four infallible prerogative of papal primacy.
1:42.0	I will explain each of these briefly the institution the Council states that the Apostle Peter was given a primacy over the universal church of God directly and immediately from Jesus Christ the eternal shepherd.
1:58.0	The permanence in order to maintain the church's episcopal government as one and undivided the this universal primacy must be permanent as a perpetual principle of unity until the end of time.
2:15.0	Fixed in the bishopric of the Roman church according to the authoritative design of Jesus Christ.
2:23.0	The nature this primacy is universal and jurisdictional or legally binding. This jurisdiction is immediate direct and ordinary over the whole church of God.
2:38.0	This is founded upon the fact that full power to govern the church was directly given to Peter with no intermediation as such Peter and the person of his successors.
2:50.0	The supreme judge of all the faithful and is free to exercise his authority at will.
2:59.0	Infallible prerogative included in this primacy is the supreme power of teaching or magisterium on certain conditions.
3:09.0	The Pope can propose unchallengable teaching that is protected from all error and which must be adhered to with the ascent of faith.
3:18.0	The refusal of which would result in excommunication.
3:22.0	My job is to present a case for how this definition of primacy is taught in the apostolic tradition.
3:29.0	What is the apostolic tradition for our purposes. We may simply say that apostolic tradition is the faith delivered by the apostles to the church to be guarded and safely transmitted by their successors, the visions.
3:42.0	The contents of apostolic tradition for both Catholics and Orthodox are contained in divine revelation as given in scripture and tradition.
3:51.0	Therefore, if the Vatican Council's definition of papal primacy is sufficiently implied in scripture and tradition, then this debates resolution is upheld and demonstrated.
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