Hey everyone, Artie here with a little update. This week we're hard at work on COVID-year-5,

our big end-of-year recap, which I know many of you are looking forward to because we've gotten

a lot of messages about it. So I can confirm that that episode is going to be out in the patron feed

this coming Monday, December 23rd. Each one of these is a huge undertaking. I've been keeping

notes on this since the moment that COVID-year-4 wrapped, really, and I've spent the last couple of weeks just trying to digest all of it. It's been one hell of a year and an important one, so bear with us while we finish getting it already. So while I work on finishing this up, we thought long and hard about what episode would make the most sense to go up just before COVID year 5,

and in the end we decided to reach a little bit back in time and revisit our conversation with Ruth Wilson Gilmore on the concept of organized abandonment.

This is still one of my favorite interviews we've ever done on the show, and with everything we're about to talk about this coming Monday, it feels more appropriate than ever. Finally, since we're getting towards the end of the year, we also just want to say thank you to all of you for supporting the show. Episodes like COVID-year-5, this big year or year-long research project, wouldn't exist without your support, and for that matter, neither would episodes like today is with Ruthie Gilmore. So with that, see you all in COVID-year-5.

And until then, stay alive in the week.

If we think about what the entire constellation of relations and possibilities are that envelop any individual who eventually gets plucked out of their life.

Now, what abolition is about is changing everything, and that means all of that constellation

of relations, of human environment relations. Welcome to the Death Panel to support the show and get access to our second weekly bonus episode,

Become a Patron at patreon.com slash death panel pod.

Our patron episode this week is an interview with psychiatric epidemiologist Seth Prins about

the school to prison pipeline. It's fantastic. So if you want to listen to that,

patreon.com slash death panel pod. And if you'd like to help us out a little bit more,

share the show with your friends, post about your favorite episodes, pre-order health communism, or request it at your local library, and follow us at Death Panel underscore.

Today, I am joined by prison abolitionist and carceral geographer Ruth Wilson Gilmore.

She is the author of Golden Gulag, Prison, Surplus, Crisis, and Opposition in Globalizing

California, which came out in 2007. And a new volume of her work was just published in May by

Verso called Abolition Geography, Essays Towards Liberation, that brings together three decades of writing

into one big book. Ruthie, welcome to the Death Panel.

It's truly an honor to have you here on the show.

...