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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Operator Syndrome: The Hidden Cost of Service feat. Dr. Chris Frueh | Ep. 16

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

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Society & Culture, Daily News, News, Politics, News Commentary

4.5 β€’ 11.4K Ratings

πŸ—“οΈ 26 May 2025

⏱️ 69 minutes

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Summary

πŸ“ Free Operator Syndrome Curriculum: http://operatorsyndromefoundation.org/curriculum/

Memorial Day hits me in a way that is difficult to describe. I have lost dozens of friends and colleagues to the immeasurable effects of War. It is for this reason that I brought Dr. Chris Frueh on today’s show to discuss the profound impact of long term high risk training and the countless combat deployments within the SOF communities.

Together we have committed to bringing awareness to Operator Syndrome and the impact of the constellation of medical and behavioral health issues facing our active duty and veteran communities within the Special Operations Forces.

If you would like to know more, please click the link to the Operator Syndrome Foundation website where you can access our free curriculum. If you know a veteran who is suffering, please share the link with them.

I hope and pray you take the time to truly appreciate all of those who have given their lives in support of our way of living. Without their sacrifice we would live in a very different place. 

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TIMESTAMPS:

00:00 - Memorial Day & The Cost of Service

07:31 - The Culture of Death

18:35 - The PTSD Industry Machine

27:45 - Operator Syndrome

43:20 - Facing Criticism & Being Silenced

51:40 - How Operators Are Being Helped

57:51 - Practical Steps You Can Take Today For Help

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0:00.0

You're listening to an I-heart podcast.

0:09.6

Today is a day that hits me like a ton of bricks.

0:16.7

It hits me in a way that it's really difficult to put into words.

0:22.8

It's a thousand cuts across my heart.

0:28.1

It's swimming through a river of glass in my mind.

0:34.0

And it's being tied to a cinder block being drowned in a sea of of tragedy and sorrow

0:45.9

and that's what memorial day is for me because as I imagine all of my close friends and teammates that have died over the last 20 plus years

0:59.9

and the GWAT it's the memory of of of those men and what they've meant to me is inescapable, as is their death.

1:14.4

Now, to compound that, it's also profoundly impactful that I think about all of my friends that have ultimately killed themselves as a result of their experiences fighting for this country.

1:29.8

And I look at their tragic loss as almost identical or even more catastrophic than the men who

1:38.1

actually died on the battlefields.

1:41.6

And so as I welcome today an individual on the show, Dr. Chris Free, I want you to realize that this man has been personally responsible for my ability to manage that sorrow and that heartache.

1:59.2

And he hasn't just done it for me.

2:01.4

He's literally done it for hundreds of other men and women that are affiliated with fighting

2:08.1

for your freedoms.

2:09.8

So without further ado, I'm so privileged and honored to welcome Chris, Dr. Chris Free to the show today to discuss Memorial Day Operator's Syndrome and what we can do to help our veterans.

2:28.9

So welcome, Chris.

2:30.6

Thank you.

2:31.4

Thank you, David.

2:32.5

Great to be here.

2:43.4

Great to see you again and be continuing this conversation we've been having now for nine years, ten years.

2:47.3

It's going on about nine, about 2016, yep.

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