OpenAI wants NYT's notes; AI meets email; Startup vets eye EV charging marketplace

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🗓️ 13 July 2024

⏱️ 23 minutes

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This week on the GeekWire Podcast, we catch up on the latest twist in the New York Times' lawsuit against OpenAI and Microsoft over the alleged use of its reporting to train GPT-4 and other large language models. The NYT is fighting OpenAI’s request to turn over reporters’ notes, interview memos, and other materials used to produce stories, to prove they were worthy of copyright.

On a related topic, we take a closer listen to Microsoft AI CEO Mustafa Suleyman's comments about AI and fair use at the Aspen Ideas Festival, which were more nuanced than some of the coverage might have made them appear. Watch Suleyman's full conversation with Andrew Ross Sorkin here.

Turning to the Seattle startup scene, an entrepreneurial supergroup has quietly formed a new electric vehicle charging startup, Juicer Energy, that appears poised to create a marketplace connecting homeowners and others with personal EV charging stations to EV owners in need of places to charge up their vehicles.

In the return of our "My AI" segment, we explore the concept of using AI to turn email into a database that can be intelligently mined, in this case with Google Gemini in Gmail and Google Workspace.

We also talk about using Microsoft Copilot in the Edge browser for domain-specific queries, and discuss the importance of treating AI not as an authoritative oracle but rather as a partner in the quest for insight.

On a related note, we suggest an episode of the "Think Fast, Talk Smart" podcast, called "How to Chat with Bots." (Thanks to Mark Briggs for the recommendation.)

With GeekWire co-founders John Cook and Todd Bishop.

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0:00.0	Welcome to GeekWire. I'm GeekWire co-founder Todd Bishop. And I'm GeekWire co-founder John Cook.
0:07.5	We are coming to you from Seattle where we get to report each day on what's happening around us in business, technology, and innovation.
0:14.0	What happens here matters everywhere and every week on this show,
0:17.0	we get to talk about some of the most interesting stories and trends in the news.
0:21.0	John, it's been weeks since you and I have sat down for a podcast. in the We've been talking all about AI and smart homes and even ADHD with Brett Green and a great
0:36.7	podcast we had a couple weeks ago that a lot of people have given us some great feedback
0:40.9	on so if you missed any of those shows be sure to go back and
0:44.4	check them out but this week there was a story in the news that I wanted to start with that
0:48.8	really resonated with me in part because it's this intersection of artificial intelligence and something that you and I have been involved in for, gosh, 30 years, does that make us sound old?
1:00.7	We are. Journalism.
1:04.0	The New York Times lawsuit against Open AI and Microsoft took a really interesting twist over the holiday break.
1:11.0	Of course folks will recall back in December the New York Times sued
1:15.0	Microsoft and open AI
1:17.0	saying that open AI for chat
1:19.0	gee PT and geeP.
1:21.0	4 and all of the other related large language models had
1:24.0	illegally absorbed New York Times content
1:28.2	in the process of training those models.
1:30.8	The twist over the past week or so is that Open AI is demanding through discovery requests that the New York Times prove that it is creating original content that the materials that are alleged to have been absorbed
1:47.8	into the large language model through this training process are actually copyrightable. This took some guts in my view. It was really interesting. I saw it in the court filings and I was surprised. I think there's a lot of media organizations that you could
2:03.4	legitimately raise this question about. I think it's pretty bold. I'm trying to
2:08.8	avoid using you know the inappropriate slang here but it was pretty bold for open AI to come in and say hey
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