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The Times Tech Podcast

Open Philanthropy's Holden Karnofsky: "Artificial intelligence and the most important century"

The Times Tech Podcast

Will Morley

Business, Unknown, Technology

4.9654 Ratings

🗓️ 15 October 2021

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

The Sunday Times’ tech correspondent Danny Fortson brings on Holden Karnofsky, founder of GiveWell, to talk about philanthropy (3:30), teaming up with Facebook co-founder Dustin Moskowitz and hits-based giving (6:40), the most important century (12:50), how artificial intelligence could be about to change everything (15:55), deep learning (21:00), becoming a spacefaring civilization (24:45), living in a really weird time (27:30), treating AI like climate change (30:00), effective altruism (37:00), and the need for long-term thinking (42:30).

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0:00.0

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0:22.2

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0:27.5

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0:32.4

Yo! Technology. What is it all about? The problem is, there is no field like that for long-run forecasts about AI.

0:41.3

There's AI researchers who come into work and try to make today's AI systems do something better.

0:46.3

And I think their views are very important, but it's a little bit like if you became concerned about climate change, would you go and ask people working on solar panel design how bad climate change is going to be?

1:08.0

Hello and welcome to Danny in the Valley, your weekly dispatch from behind the scenes and inside the minds of the top.

1:13.8

People in tech, what if I told you that this century, the moment in which we are currently living,

1:20.4

is the most important, most consequential in the history of humanity.

1:25.8

And that we were on the cusp of changes so dramatic and profound that once it begins to take hold, what it means to be human will be utterly and irreversibly changed.

1:37.3

Maybe that means we'll be controlled by AI overlords.

1:40.3

Maybe it means we'll all move out into the galaxy and live in space forever after

1:45.8

perhaps hitting a population of one trillion as jeff bezos has predicted anyhow it all sounds a little

1:52.7

far out i know but this week's guest uh things not so much holden karnovsky is the founder of

2:00.2

givewell a company that helps assess and guide charitable giving globally.

2:05.3

He's no longer there because these days he runs Open Philanthropy, which is an organization he started with Kerry and Dustin Moskowitz, which helps manage the multi-billion dollar fortune of Moskowitz, who of course is the other Facebook founder.

2:21.1

Anyhow, I wanted to have him on because this summer I came across a series of long, detailed blog posts he had written,

2:28.5

all under this one kind of umbrella idea that this indeed may be the most important century ever for humans.

2:38.6

Now, much of this argument, as you'll soon hear, revolves around the evolution of AI.

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