Oh, hey, so up top, this episode is exclusively sponsored by SOTFA, and this is the first

inology's history, the first one we've ever had sponsored by Just One Company,

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Oh, hey, it's your friend's fiance who commits everything to spreadsheets,

alleyward. We are back, it's the top of 2023. We're going to talk about hopes and dreams,

but not hopes at all, just dreams, just dreams, all dreams. So this episode is a dream, it was years

in the making. This expert has been at the top of the dream research game for decades. I have

waited through the pandemic until everyone was quadruple-vaxed and rapid-tested and also his new book

just came out this fall. The timing was right. I went to Santa Cruz, a college town in this crunchy

enclave on the California coast where he has been a professor since 1965 and I walked around the

misty rainy UC Santa Cruz campus until we spotted each other. Are you in the white coat?

Ah, okay, cool, I see a- I'll walk through-

And then ducked into the offices, we said hello to his colleague.

All the guards, this is Barbara Lawrence, she's my uh, light-blood friend and savior.

And we posted up at his desk and he has an affable smile, contagious warmth, and surprising

humility for someone who is so celebrated in this field. He is a distinguished professor emeritus

and a research professor at the University of California, Santa Cruz, and has written several

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