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CNN 5 Things

One Thing: Does ICE Know Who You Are?

CNN 5 Things

CNN

Daily News, News

3.71.3K Ratings

🗓️ 8 February 2026

⏱️ 26 minutes

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Summary

Critics fear ICE is using a growing slate of facial recognition and surveillance tools to track not only undocumented immigrants, but also protesters opposing operations in Minneapolis and beyond. So with Democrats and Republicans at odds over changes to ICE ahead of a looming deadline to fund the Department of Homeland Security, what data is being collected and what does it mean for the average American?  For more: ICE shunned body cams in Minnesota. So why are agents using phone cameras?  ---  Guests: Nicole Cleland & Juliette Kayyem, CNN Senior National Security Analyst  Host: David Rind  Producer: Paola Ortiz  Showrunner: Felicia Patinkin Photo: John Moore/Getty Images Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

This is one thing. I'm David Rind. And if federal agents can recognize your face, what else do they know about you?

0:07.0

How deep can they go? Like, how broad is their ability to, like, just mess with you?

0:17.2

Stick around.

0:23.1

I ended up, there was probably four people that were at one point in time following.

0:29.1

I shouldn't say following. I should say commuting.

0:33.0

Sounds much better than following. We were commuting.

0:36.2

You guys try to stay away from that language these days?

0:38.5

Yes.

0:39.7

Nicole Cleland has been a legal observer, a so-called Ice Watcher,

0:43.6

in the Minneapolis suburb of Richfield since mid-December,

0:46.7

even before Renee Good and Alex Pretty were killed by federal agents.

0:51.0

But she says on January 10th,

0:52.8

a vehicle she was following had stopped with a group of other

0:55.4

vehicles that were blocking a main road, so she stopped as well.

1:02.6

I did not record what happened. I learned right then and there when you're on signal. You can't

1:07.6

also use your camera. One of the ICE agents approached the car in front of me, and another agent came towards my vehicle.

1:15.6

And when he got close enough to be able to talk with me, I rolled down my window a couple of inches just so I could hear him.

1:21.6

And he said, are you Nicole?

1:23.6

Use your name.

1:24.6

I'm like, okay, that is my name.

1:26.6

I'm like, yep, I am. And he said, I am using facial recognition. I have my body cam on. And I know that you've been following me. And I said, you know, this is my neighborhood. I'm commuting. I'm just out driving around, making sure my neighbors are safe. And he said, well, we're not going to have an argument about this.

1:45.4

I'm pretty confident that you're following me, and that means you're interfering with my job.

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