I'm Michelle Goldberg.

And I'm Ross Douthett.

And this is the argument.

This week, I sit down with Democratic presidential candidate Marianne Williamson.

I think people who have a deeper understanding and commitment to love tend to have a greater

recognition of the power of evil.

Then Michelle and I talk about her candidacy and her cultural significance.

She basically takes politics that I really like and adds a layer of flakiness that I

like.

And finally, a recommendation.

I would especially like to see what you think of it Ross, because it seems very much aimed

at a lot of your preoccupations.

Marianne Williamson is not your average Democratic candidate for president.

Her policy proposals belong mostly to the political left, but her rhetoric is spiritual and

metaphysical in a way that has contrasted sharply with the other candidates in the Democratic

debates.

She's here with me in our studio in New York to talk about her bid for president.

Marianne Williamson, welcome to the argument.

Thank you so much.

So we've done interviews on this show with a bunch of Democratic candidates, but you're

the only person running for president with a background in what I would describe as religious

ministry.

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