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Foreign Policy Live

One-on-One With Finnish President Alexander Stubb

Foreign Policy Live

Foreign Policy

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4601 Ratings

🗓️ 19 February 2025

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

Finnish President Alexander Stubb sits down with Ravi Agrawal on the sidelines of the annual Munich Security Conference to discuss European security in Trump 2.0. Suggested reading (FP links are paywall-free): Transcript: Finland’s President: Trump’s Strategy ‘Is a Bit of a Seesaw’ Transcript: The Speech That Stunned Europe C. Raja Mohan: India Sees Opportunities as Trump Jettisons the Western Order James Crabtree: Trump Could Make China Great Again Kishore Mahbubani: It’s Time for Europe to Do the Unthinkable Kristi Raik: Europe’s 4 Different Ways of Handling Trump Bojan Pancevski and Alexander Ward: Vance Wields Threat of Sanctions, Military Action to Push Putin Into Ukraine Deal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hi, I'm Ravi Agrawal Foreign Policy's Editor-in-Chief.

0:04.8

This is FP Live.

0:10.1

So I've just gotten back from the Munich Security Conference,

0:14.1

an annual meeting of spy chiefs, foreign and defence ministers and world leaders.

0:19.8

And this past weekend, for the European leaders there,

0:23.3

it really seemed like their relationship with the United States had reached a tipping point.

0:28.9

Now, it was already strained, to be sure, for a variety of reasons. But the most recent issue

0:35.1

was that U.S. President Donald Trump had a call last week with

0:39.2

Russia's Vladimir Putin, ostensibly about Ukraine. And he had that call without consulting

0:45.9

Europe. That sparked all kinds of fears across the continent. Add to that, a statement by

0:52.7

Defense Secretary Pete Hegeseth that Ukraine was unlikely

0:56.4

to get into NATO, and you can see why many European leaders felt Washington was giving away

1:01.8

way too much before negotiations had even started. All of that was the backdrop at the Munich

1:10.1

conference I was at. Attendees there eagerly awaited

1:13.7

one speech above all others, the one by Vice President J.D. Vance. And in a pretty big surprise,

1:21.2

he didn't talk about foreign policy at all. Instead, he told leaders there the biggest threat to their

1:27.1

continent was not China, not Russia,

1:30.2

but rather a lack of free speech and real democracy in Europe.

1:35.6

If you're running in fear of your own voters, there is nothing America can do for you,

1:41.6

nor for that matter is there anything that you can do for the American people who

1:45.5

elected me and elected President Trump. European leaders immediately found this strange,

1:51.5

not only because it was an unusual bit of interference, but also because of America's own

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