I'm Autumn Brown, a queer science fiction writer, a theologian, a mother of dragons,

and a healing justice facilitator for social movements living on Dakota and Anishinaabe

and a land currently known as Minneapolis.

I'm Adrian Marie Brown, a writer, student of miracles, a love, emergent strategist, and

pleasure activists living on Anishinaabe territory currently known as Detroit.

And this is how to survive the end of the world.

Our podcast about learning from apocalypse with grace, rigor, and curiosity.

And I'm so excited about what's happened today, because we have on someone who I've

been a fan of, big time, for quite some time, and I'm going to introduce her, but I wanted

to give a little context for this.

So last season, Autumn and I had a conversation about being black, mixed people co-hosting this

podcast and being in the world and being facilitators and organizers, et cetera.

And we asked people, do you want more of this?

Because generally, we talk about survival as an external thing, and not so much about

like, here's our identities inside of it.

And there's a part of that that feels really tied into what it means to move into surviving

this apocalypse, because it's a white supremacist, capitalist apocalypse.

So people said they wanted to hear more about this, they wanted more authentic explorations

of this space.

So when this book came out that we were about to talk about, it was re-released, I was

like, this, I think, could give people a number of different lenses into this conversation.

And everything this person says is brilliant.

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