This is a time of radical change.

And if you start now, you are early, you're at ground zero.

There's a million new application potential opportunities there.

Bankless Nation, welcome to the AI roll-up where me and my co-hosts EJez here,

unpack the crazy world of crypto and AI.

We have done the AI roll-up series, which looks and sounds like

the Bankless Weekly Roll-up with Crypto News, but instead just covering the week of news in

crypto-AI. This is our first guest interview, and we are talking to Shaw, who is the developer

behind the Eliza Framework. He created the Eliza framework. Also the AI16Z Dow and then AI

version of Mark Endreson and also whatever else comes out of this very rapidly growing part of the

AI crypto sector, probably epicenter of the AI crypto sector. Ejaz, what do you think of our first

interview with Shah? I think it was very eye-opening.

I want to kind of call out two particular things.

I think Shaw, the man himself, and then AI16Z separately,

are two very important things that are leading this open source AI movement within crypto.

So I think Shaw covering his background on not being, you know, a traditional

crypto native guy, but having spent a lot of time in the AIML world, working on open source

stuff. So very similar principles and antics to to the crypto world, but on a completely

separate sector. And then finding his way naturally towards crypto, finding a use case and reason, which in many ways was open source development, incentive design through tokens, et cetera, to kind of like bootstrap this whole movement was fascinating.

And so Shaw is really like an AIOG. He's kind of worked with a lot of his core contributors already that are also very focused on AI or AI veterans.

And then we have AI16Z, which is kind of like his brainchild right now of this open source fund movement where there's two main agents which is hoping to manage the Dow and invest either

through a trading style or through a traditional fund manager style. So AI16Z being a play on

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