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Finding Genius Podcast

On the Origins of COVID-19 with An Award-Winning Foreign Correspondent

Finding Genius Podcast

Richard Jacobs

Medicine, Health & Fitness

4.41K Ratings

🗓️ 11 August 2020

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

Ian Birrell is a contributing editor of The Mail on Sunday, has a weekly column in the i newspaper, and has written for a number of publications, including The Times, The Washington Post, the Daily Mail, and the Guardian. Over the course of his career, he has reported for more than 60 countries worldwide. In this episode, he shares what he knows about the origins of COVID-19 and the COVID-19 situation in general.

Press play to learn:

  • Who China's 'Bat Woman' is and the significance of her role in the information and theories surrounding COVID-19
  • What characteristics of the virus are unusual
  • What evidence suggests that COVID-19 did not originate from a wet market in China as we've been told

Like most of us, Birrell began hearing about COVID-19 around February when stories began breaking in the media about a potential Chinese cover-up regarding the virus. Considering it a "potential" pandemic at the time, Birrell focused his investigative research on these allegations, including one which placed the World Health Organization (WHO) in collaboration with China in cover-up efforts. He wrote a couple of pieces covering evidence which suggests that the infectious virus broke out earlier than claimed, and that the wet market theory of origin might not be true.

Birrell explains what's wrong with the wet market theory of origin, citing the original Lancet paper on the wet market which showed that the very first cases identified were not linked to the wet market, a report in the South China Morning Post showing cases going back to mid-November which were not linked to the market, and several early investigative journalists who published articles which have since been censored and removed from most social media websites.

In particular, Birrell discusses evidence which suggests that Chinese officials knew by mid-December that human-to-human transmission was possible, and that the entire genetic code of the virus had been sequenced by January 2nd. That genetic sequencing data—data that would have allowed for earlier research on an effective treatment or a vaccine—was not shared until more than a week later, when it was posted on a public access site by an Australian scientist on behalf of a Shanghai professor, who had his lab shut down just two days later.

Birrell also discusses the potential of a laboratory leak of the virus, unusual characteristics of the virus, how different nations have responded to the virus, and the need to be wary of vested interests in journalism and science pushing particular narratives about what's going on.  

Learn more at http://www.ianbirrell.com/about-me/ and find Birrell on Twitter at @ianbirrell.

Available on Apple Podcasts: apple.co/2Os0myK

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:18.3

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0:27.2

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0:28.8

Here come the geniuses.

0:30.4

This is the Finding Genius Podcast.

0:33.0

That is Richard Jacobs.

0:35.0

Hello, this is Richard Jacobs with the Finding Genius Podcast.

0:41.0

I have Ian Burrell. He's a contributing editor of the mail on Sunday as a foreign

0:46.2

reporter and commentator. He has a weekly column in the I paper. He also writes for the Times,

0:51.0

the Washington Post, the Daily Mail, the Daily Telegraph, the Guardian, the Sun,

0:55.1

the Tortoise, the Spectator, and the Unheard above others.

0:58.6

So he's a foreign correspondent who was reported from more than 60 countries from Albania to Zimbabwe, which is great.

1:05.0

And I like to talk to him today about the origins of COVID-19, because he's probably literally been around and spoken to people on the ground.

1:14.3

So, Ian, thanks for coming.

1:15.9

Thanks very much.

1:16.9

You know, so I know that you've traveled to many countries.

1:19.3

I wanted to talk to you about the origins of COVID-19.

1:22.1

So you being on the ground in many places, when this epidemic began, where were you?

1:27.2

And how did you first learn about it? I was actually really mainly in California and Mexico of all places so I was covering some

1:35.2

stories in California and then I was in Mexico doing a cartel related stuff so I guess I was on the other side of the world to where it broke out.

1:44.5

And what did you think?

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