On Skepticism: Michael Shermer & Jeremy Rys on DarkHorse
DarkHorse Podcast
Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying
4.6 • 5.3K Ratings
🗓️ 3 September 2023
⏱️ 145 minutes
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Summary
Michael Shermer is the Founding Publisher of Skeptic magazine, the host of the podcast The Michael Shermer Show, and a Presidential Fellow at Chapman University where he teaches Skepticism 101. For 18 years he was a monthly columnist for Scientific American. He writes a weekly Substack column. He is the author of New York Times bestsellers Why People Believe Weird Things and The Believing Brain, Why Darwin Matters, The Science of Good and Evil, The Moral Arc, Heavens on Earth, and Giving the Devil His Due: Reflections of a Scientific Humanist.
Jeremy Rys has a B.S. degree in Physics from Bridgewater State University and is a co-founder of APEC the Alternative Propulsion Engineering Conference an academic think tank of scientists, engineers, and inventors who explore the potentials of new physics and technologies including metamaterials, warp drives, ion thrusters, laser induced plasmas, invisibility cloaks, and other "Alien" technologies. - He is also an avid researcher of alternative history and the history behind classified programs and covert operations. He also enjoys researching scientific controversies and conspiracy theories.
Find Michael Shermer at: https://www.skeptic.com/ - https://michaelshermer.com/
Find Jeremy Rys at: https://www.altpropulsion.com/ - https://alienscientist.com/
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Jeremy Sources:
JFK --
https://www.youtube.com/@AmericasUntoldStories
https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKwhiteR.htm
https://www.jfkpaine.com/the-story/
RFK --
Autopsy Records
https://www.grunge.com/799514/tragic-details-found-in-robert-f-kennedys-autopsy-report/
"RFK Must Die" by Shane O'Sullivan
William Joseph Bryan Jr. - MKULTRA Hypnotist
9/11 --
The Armageddon Planners:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2004/03/the-armageddon-plan/302902/
Bremer on 9/11 giving the official theory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLdR87wQK_0
The Pentagon Renovations:
https://digwithin.net/2012/01/01/a-small-world/
"Another 19" by Kevin Ryan
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Hey folks, welcome to the Dark Horse Podcast. I have the great pleasure of sitting this |
| 0:09.1 | morning with Michael Shermer, who is the publisher of Skeptic Magazine and Jeremy Riss, |
| 0:15.2 | return guest on the Dark Horse Podcast, who has a degree in physics. He runs the Alien |
| 0:20.9 | Scientist channel and he is an expert in next generation science and technology. Welcome |
| 0:28.8 | to both of you. Thanks for having us. So we are gathered together to talk about belief |
| 0:39.7 | and skepticism and to navigate the difficulty of figuring out what it is we should believe |
| 0:45.8 | rationally in a moment as confusing as this current one. And I know all three of us have, |
| 0:53.0 | I believe, a great deal of alignment about wanting to believe only those things that |
| 0:57.5 | are analytically well supported by evidence, but that has caused us to reach very different |
| 1:04.7 | conclusions on some important issues of the day. So I don't want this to be viewed as |
| 1:09.7 | a debate. I'm not sure how productive debate is. I think it would be wise if we viewed this |
| 1:14.8 | as a friendly discussion to the deaf. But anyway, gentlemen, let's start out in an area |
| 1:25.4 | that is, has a great deal of interest at the current moment and that has got all three |
| 1:31.8 | of our attention, the issue of what we're once called UFOs that are now called UAPs. Michael, |
| 1:38.7 | do you want to set us in motion on that topic? Yeah, sure. Start with the name UAPs, unidentified |
| 1:45.5 | aerial phenomenon. Now it's morphed again into unidentified anomalous phenomenon. This |
| 1:51.5 | is what Steve Pinker calls the euphemism treadmill. When the word becomes pejorative, the words |
| 1:56.6 | change. UFOs have always been associated with kind of fringe elements of science or pseudoscience |
| 2:03.1 | and people being abducted by aliens and aliens mutilating cattle and all this kind of stuff |
| 2:08.4 | that's made most scientists avoid the subject entirely. So UAP is, I guess, a welcome change |
| 2:15.4 | because it is an interesting question. But what's the question? So here I divide between |
| 2:21.0 | two different questions. Are they out there? Have they come here that they be an alien? |
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