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Unholy: Two Jews on the News

On life in Iran with Beni Sabti

Unholy: Two Jews on the News

Unholy Media

News, Yonit Levi, Israel, Israel Podcast, Jonathan Freedland, Middle East, Jewish, Religion & Spirituality, Jews, Society & Culture

4.7680 Ratings

🗓️ 17 June 2025

⏱️ 16 minutes

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Summary

Day five of the war with Iran, and the world is holding its breath. With President Trump abruptly leaving the G7 and urging Tehran’s citizens to evacuate, the next chapter remains uncertain — escalation or ceasefire? Yonit speaks with Beni Sabti, an expert on Iran, to look beyond the headlines, to explore what life looks like for ordinary Iranians: under fire, and under a theocracy that has shaped daily reality for nearly half a century.

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0:00.0

Hi everyone. I'm Yonit Levy in Tel Aviv. Israel's war with Iran day five. It's now Tuesday,

0:06.1

4.30 p.m. Israel, 5 p.m. Tehran 10 a.m. Washington, D.C. We still don't know where this is

0:13.1

heading towards the U.S. more active involvement or towards a ceasefire. President Trump leaving

0:18.8

the G7 summit early, telling the people of Tehran

0:22.3

to evacuate immediately. We wanted to take a step back from the headlines and try and drill deeper

0:27.6

into the life of Iranians, today under war, but also living under a theocracy for 46 years.

0:35.1

What does that feel like?

0:37.3

Benny Sapti is an Iran expert at the INSS. It's the Israeli Institute for National Security Studies.

0:42.8

He was born in Iran and raised there primarily under the Islamic Revolution regime, left when

0:48.2

he was 15. He led the establishment of the IDF spokesperson's unit platform in Farsi.

0:56.5

He's one of the advisors of Apple TV series, Tehran. He's a frequent analyst in our studios in Israel on Channel 12. Ben, thank you so much

1:03.2

for talking to us today. Hi. Thank you for your invitation. Thank you. Before we go into sort of this

1:08.9

deep dive into Iran and what Iranians are feeling today and before the war,

1:13.4

just on a personal level to be the analyst covering this war between the country you were born and raised in Iran

1:20.7

and the country you live in Israel. Can you talk a little bit about how that feels?

1:25.7

You know, of course I have still personal feelings.

1:29.3

Even after working about Iranian issues here in Israel, in research centers and other places,

1:37.1

you have still feelings for your homeland.

1:41.2

And of course, from one side, I'm sad that this regime brought Iran and

1:47.1

Tehran, my city, to this place of being bombed by Israel. And it's also another conflict.

1:55.5

Maybe if it was another kind of enemy of Iran, so it was less hard.

2:02.0

But I'm Iranian and I'm Jewish.

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