Hi, I'm Henry Bear.

And I'm Tyler Johnson.

And you're listening to The Doctors Art, a podcast that explores meaning in medicine.

Throughout our medical training and career, we have pondered.

What makes medicine meaningful?

Can a stronger understanding of this meaning

create better doctors?

How can we build health care institutions

that nurture the doctor-patient connection.

What can we learn about the human condition

from accompanying our patients in times of suffering?

In seeking answers to these questions,

we meet with deep thinkers working across health care, from doctors and nurses to patients and health care executives, those who have collected a career's worth of hard-earned wisdom.

Probing the moral heart that beats at the core of medicine, we will hear stories that are by turns heart-breaking, amusing, inspiring, challenging, and enlightening.

We welcome anyone curious about why doctors do what they do.

Join us as we think out loud about what illness and healing can teach us about some of life's biggest questions.

If you've listened to our pass-through episodes, then you will already be familiar with the idea

that there's a problem with how we, as a society, think about death and dying and the role of medicine in all of this.

In short, modern medicine too often focuses on life-extending efforts for those nearing the end of life,

at the expense of the patient's holistic quality of life.

Our guest today, Dr. Shoshana Unger Lider, is an advocate for better end of life care.

She's the founder of the Endwell Foundation, a nonprofit that seeks to improve how doctors and patients approach issues of mortality, as well as an executive

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